Does God love everybody?
A brother (Martin C.) writes - "Would a fair summary of God's love in light of these teachings be that he loves all people, saint and sinner alike, but the elect are his focus given his plan of salvation by the election of grace?"
Hi Martin Carter. I do not believe God loves the non-elect. Christ did not die for the non-elect. In regards to God not loving the non-elect, consider the following.
Romans 9 talks about the elect and the non-elect, the vessels of mercy and the vessels of wrath. God is the Potter and we are the clay. He loved Jacob but hated Esau.
There are several clear verses in the Bible that tell us that God hates and abhors certain people. Here are a few of them -
"thou hatest all workers of iniquity." Psalms 5:5
"The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth." Psalms 11:5
"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: ...a false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." Proverbs 6:16-19
"They that are of a froward heart are abomination to the LORD: but such as are upright in their way are his delight." Proverbs 11:20
"Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD" Proverbs 16:5
"He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD." Proverbs 17:15
"The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein." Proverbs 22:14
"And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste" Malachi 1:3
"Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Romans 9:13
I have had several "free willers" somehow think that they have some kind of an explanation for this verse about God loving Jacob and hating Esau, and they take me to Genesis 25:23 where the Lord tells Rebekah, the mother of Jacob and Esau, that "Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger."
I don't see how this solves anything. Now you have God hating not only the individual Esau, but an entire nation of people as well. They have only made their case worse!
And David says under the inspiration of God - "Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee?...I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies." Psalms 139:21-22
If God chose some, then he necessarily did not chose the others. Is God unjust? No. Justice, pure and simple, would have been to condemn all of us to hell.
Why? Because of what all of us are like in our fallen and sinful nature. The Bible does not paint a very flattering picture of fallen mankind.
God's word tells us that "there is none righteous, no not one. There is none that understandeth. There is none that seeketh after God, and there is none that doeth good, no, not one." (Romans 3)
God's Book describes us all as being "without strength". Not just weak, but WITHOUT strength.
We are not just "sick" but are DEAD in trespasses and sins. (Ephesians 2:1)
We are UNGODLY, SINNERS and even ENEMIES of God. (Romans 5:6-8)
The natural man "loves darkness rather than light" - (John 3:19)
And "we have turned every one to his own way" - (Isaiah 53:6)
Man is not some innocent babe in the woods who does not know the difference between right and wrong. He is a rebel who is at enmity with God and hates the light. And if we all got what we deserve at this moment, we would instantly be tossed into the torments and fires of hell.
It doesn't really matter whether you agree or not with God's assessment of what fallen human nature is like or what we deserve.
WE are not the Judge and when we finally appear before the thrice Holy Creator who hates sin, our mouths will be stopped in recognition of the truth and "all the world will become guilty before God" - (Romans 3:19)
God loves His own whom He has chosen to love.
In John 13:1 we read "Jesus...having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end."
"Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus." John 11:5
"Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved." John 13:23
Christ also loved the church and gave himself for it. Ephesians 5:25
"the Son of God who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20
And "Unto him that loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood" Rev. 1:5
If Jesus loved everybody, then these statements would be superfluous and redundant.
And you will notice that with all the preaching in the book of Acts by both Peter and Paul, not one time does the word "love" appear in the entire book.
It is only in the epistles, which are written to believers, are we told that we are beloved of God.
And when we look at the Old Testament we see statements like this -
"And because HE LOVED THY FATHERS, THEREFORE HE CHOSE THEIR SEED after them, and brought thee out in his sight with his mighty power out of Egypt" Deuteronomy 4:37
"...the LORD thy God HATH CHOSEN THEE TO BE A SPECIAL PEOPLE UNTO HIMSELF, ABOVE ALL PEOPLE that are upon the fact of the earth.
The LORD did not SET HIS LOVE UPON YOU, NOR CHOOSE YOU, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people.
But BECAUSE THE LORD LOVED YOU, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, AND REDEEMED YOU out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt." Deuteronomy 7:6-8
It should be noted that there IS a certain kind of love that God has for "the stranger". In Deuteronomy 10:18-19 we are told: "He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and LOVETH THE STRANGER in giving him food and raiment. Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt."
The Old Testament is full of types and shadows of the spiritual realities we see more developed in the New Testament.
"a stranger" could join himself to the nation of Israel and learn of the true God. "And if a stranger sojourn with thee in the land, ye shall not vex him. But the stranger that dwellers with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt LOVE him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt; I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34.
In the context, this love of God for the stranger seems to be in reference to those strangers who joined themselves to the nation of Israel and were to be considered as born among them. The Israelites were to care for the fatherless, widows and strangers who dwelt among them. They were never directed to care for the fatherless, widows and strangers who dwelt among the heathen nations. In fact, they were told to destroy them.
When you see the truth of these things, it really makes the love of God for you - if you are among his elect people - something really special. He knows all about our weaknesses and our sins, not only those of the past, but of the future. He saw them all before we even did them, yet he chose to love us and make us one of his own anyway.
Some have wisely remarked that it not to be wondered at that God would hate Esau. What is truly amazing is that God WOULD love the likes of Jacob.
Truly we may say like king Hezekiah of old - "but thou hast in love to my soul delivered it from the pit of corruption; for thou hast cast all my sins behind thy back." Isaiah 38:17
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“God so loved the world” - What does John 3:16 really mean?
Does God Love Everyone? by Dr. Robert Morey
9 1/2 minute video. Well presented, but the man doesn?t use the right Bible. Nonetheless his arguments are sound.
Great "cartoon" video about John MacArthur's idea that "God loves everybody"
More of John MacArthur's bad theology.
5 minute video. John MacArthur says a person can be redeemed after taking the mark of the beast. What was missed by the "free willers" who made this video, is that John MacArthur, who is a professing Calvinist, says a person can be "redeemed" after taking the mark of the beast.
That is flat out false doctrine. If you are one of God's elect, chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, then you were redeemed at the cross. Redemption is NOT something that happens later on in life. If you were not redeemed at the cross, then you never will be.
And of course John MacArthur teaches the pre-tribulation rapture theory. One bad doctrine leads to another.
Here is the 5 minute video.
For further study on the doctrines of God's election of grace
WHY do some have faith and others do not? Does the Bible itself tell us? Yes! It most certainly does, but most Christians today don't believe what it actually says. They believe something else.
Can the "free willer" who says: "I chose of my own free will to believe the gospel" answer WHY some believe and some do not using only the Scriptures? No. He cannot.
There is not a single verse of Scripture in the entire Bible that teaches "I chose of my own free will to believe". Not one. And yet that is the predominant theology of present day Christianity.
Did you choose God or did He chose you?
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