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Explaining Ephesians Chapter Two to a confused Arminian


Explaining Ephesians chapter 2 to a confused Arminian.



Where "free will" Arminians get seriously mixed up and go off the rails in their thinking is that when we see the words "God hath chosen us in Christ before the foundation of the world" (which they desperately try to "explain away" and deny) they automatically think this means that we were redeemed or saved before the foundation of the world.


The Bible never says this. We (God's elect) WERE chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, but we were not in fact redeemed until Christ died on the cross some 2000 years ago. 


It was at that point in history that we (God’s elect) died together with Christ, were bought with the price of his precious blood, were quickened together with him and raised up together with him and are now seated with him in heavenly places. (See Ephesians 2:5-6)


The sins of the Old Testament saints were actually paid for at the cross as Romans 3:24-26 as well as Hebrews 9:15 tell us.


24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:


25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;


26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


Hebrews 9:15 - And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.


There are many precious truths about the purpose of God according to election that are hidden from those who profess an Arminian or a “free will” theology.


One such proponent of the “I chose to believe the gospel and that made all the difference” philosophy, upon seeing some of my comments about Election and Predestination wrote me saying:


“Will Kinney, your explanations of Ephesians 1:4,5 with 2:12,13 are unnecessarily unbiblical and  illogically convoluted.  Notice Ephesians (there’s a clue)1:1 “to the saints which are at Ephesus.  Will, these Gentiles of 1:4 were positionally always In Him, these same gentiles of 2:12,13 were “without Christ“, ”having no hope””without God “but now (positionally )in Christ Jesus, according to 1:13,14 “after that ye believed “, and to clear things up for me “who is blinded” Mr.Will? , a gentile was In Christ forever.”



His thoughts and writing are confused, but basically he is asking how can we Gentiles be chosen IN Christ before the foundation of the world (1:4), and yet be described as “without Christ and having no hope” (2:12), but now “in Christ after ye believed.” (1:13-14)


This man has confused several different truths and run them all together into a mass of contradictions in his own mind.


First of all, he did not read Ephesians 1:13 correctly. It does NOT say that we are IN Christ after we believed.


Verses 11 and 12 are describing the O.T. Jews who “first trusted in Christ”  because of the O.T. promises. Abraham believed God; David believed God, and so did the prophets and many Old Testament saints first trusted in Christ.  


This is referring to Old Testament times.


Verses 13-14 are referring to the Gentiles to whom now the gospel has gone forth and God is calling out a people for his name from among the Gentile nations. (See Acts 15:14)

“In whom ye also (you Gentiles) trusted, after that ye heard the gospel of your salvation; in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.”  Ephesians 1:13-14.


By the way, we NOW have the redemption of our souls and the forgiveness of sins, but the redemption of the body is still a future event.  But God’s elect HAVE BEEN REDEEMED. 


“In whom we HAVE redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace.” Ephesians 1:7


“Christ HATH REDEEMED US from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us” Galatians 3:13


“Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place HAVING OBTAINED ETERNAL REDEMPTION FOR US.” Hebrews 9:12

Now, let’s take a closer look at Ephesians chapter 2 and the surrounding context.


“Chosen in Christ”


In no uncertain terms God tells us in his book that “HE HATH CHOSEN US IN HIM (in Christ) BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love; HAVING PREDESTINATED US unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, ACCORDING TO THE GOOD PLEASURE OF HIS WILL, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.”  Ephesians 1:4-6


When the Bible says that we were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, it does not mean or say that we were redeemed or saved from the foundation of the world. 


This is where most “free will” Arminians make a serious mistake in their thinking.  We were not yet redeemed. This didn’t happen till Christ redeemed us by his blood on the cross and it was at that time that all of God’s elect were quickened together with Him and raised up together in Christ and purchased with His precious blood.  Arminians confuse election with redemption and they are not the same thing.


And when exactly were God’s chosen people actually redeemed by the precious blood of the Lamb?  This same book of Ephesians goes on to explain in chapter 2:4-10 -


4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,


5 Even when we were dead in sins, HATH QUICKENED US TOGETHER WITH CHRIST, (by grace ye are saved;)


6 AND HATH RAISED US UP TOGETHER, AND MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST JESUS:


7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.


8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:


9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


10 FOR WE ARE HIS WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”


The plain truth of Scripture is that God chose his people before the foundation of the world IN CHRIST, and that we were IN CHRIST when he died and we were raised up TOGETHER WITH HIM when he was raised, and we are now seated in the heavenly places IN CHRIST JESUS and that we are GOD’S workmanship CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS.


No where in these passages of holy Scripture do we read a single word about the vaunted “free will of man” or his “decision to follow Christ” or even of him “placing his faith in Christ.”  It is ALL of God.


If we were not chosen IN Christ before the foundation of the world, and were not IN Christ when he died and rose from the dead, then we are no child of God at all, and never will be. 

 

Ephesians 2:11-22.  “At that time ye were without Christ”


11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;


12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.


14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;


15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;


16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:


17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.


18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.


19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;


20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;


21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:


22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”

It should be clear, once God opens our eyes to the plain meaning of the text, that when Paul refers to the Gentile believers to whom he is now writing, that he is referring to the Old Testament times BEFORE the cross.


“11 Wherefore remember, that ye being IN TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;


12 THAT AT THAT TIME ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


13 BUT NOW in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.”


“AT THAT TIME” refers to the Old Testament dispensation when the Gentile nations were strangers from the commonwealth of Israel, BUT NOW elect Gentiles have been made nigh by the blood of Christ and they are fellow citizens with the saints.

Compare Romans 9:23-26 


23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,


24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?


25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.


26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.


Gentiles without Christ before the cross - not my beloved people


The called Gentiles now made nigh after the cross - my beloved people.



This has nothing at all to do with, nor does it contradict the fact that God had chosen these elect from among the Gentile nations in Christ before the foundation of the world.


They were IN Christ when he died, quickened TOGETHER WITH HIM and raised up TOGETHER and made to sit TOGETHER in heavenly places IN Christ.  Ephesians 2:5-6.


Just as we were all in Adam when he fell, so too all of God’s elect were IN Christ when he died, when he was quickened and when he was raised up from the dead.

BUT NOW the elect Gentiles “are made nigh by the blood of Christ.”  


He IS our peace, who has made both (the elect Jewish believers and Gentile believers) one “and hath broken down the middle wall of partition.”


Christ reconciled both the elect from among the Jews and the Gentiles unto God in one body by the cross. (Ephesians 2:15-16)


17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.


18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.


19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God.”


There is no confusion once you see the truths of Election, Predestination, and Reconciliation.


God’s elect people from both among the Jewish nation and among the Gentile nations were CHOSEN IN CHRIST BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD and PREDESTINATED UNTO THE ADOPTION OF CHILDREN according to the good pleasure of God’s will - nor our will.


All of God’s elect, both Jew and Gentile, were IN Christ when he died, when he was quickened and when he rose from the dead, and we are now seated with him in the heavenly places.  It is that sure.


Our redemption, reconciliation and the atonement made for our sins ALL took place at the cross.


The gospel is not an “offer” and it is not about something God WANTS to do or ATTEMPTS to do. It is a declaration of what God already DID at the cross where He loved the church and gave himself for it. Ephesians 5:25.


Only those who are His sheep will hear his voice and be given the faith to believe the gospel message.


“And other sheep I HAVE, which are not of this fold (the Jewish nation); THEM ALSO I MUST BRING, and THEY SHALL HEAR MY VOICE; and there shall be one fold and one shepherd.”  John 10:16


He laid down his life for the sheep.  (John 10:15)


He gave his life a ransom for many. (Matthew 20:28)


For the transgression of my people was he stricken. (Isaiah 53:8)


He shall save his people from their sins. (Matthew 1:21)

May God open the eyes of more of his people to the truth of his purpose according to election.


ALL of grace, believing the Book - the King James Holy Bible.


Will Kinney


Related Articles.


“WHY do some people have faith (believe) and others do not?  See “Faith, the Fundamental Flaw in the Fable of Free Will.”


https://brandplucked.webs.com/faithflawoffreewill.htm


When were God’s people actually reconciled to God?


See “The Doctrine of Reconciliation - “God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself” - 2 Corinthians 5:19


 

https://brandplucked.webs.com/reconciliation2cor5.htm



Explaining Ephesians chapter 2 to a confused Arminian.



Where "free will" Arminians get seriously mixed up and go off the rails in their thinking is that when we see the words "God hath chosen us in Christ before the foundation of the world" (which they desperately try to "explain away" and deny) they automatically think this means that we were redeemed or saved before the foundation of the world.

The Bible never says this. We (God's elect) WERE chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, but we were not in fact redeemed until Christ died on the cross some 2000 years ago.

It was at that point in history that we (God’s elect) died together with Christ, were bought with the price of his precious blood, were quickened together with him and raised up together with him and are now seated with him in heavenly places. (See Ephesians 2:5-6)

The sins of the Old Testament saints were actually paid for at the cross as Romans 3:24-26 as well as Hebrews 9:15 tell us.

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Hebrews 9:15 - And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

There are many precious truths about the purpose of God according to election that are hidden from those who profess an Arminian or a “free will” theology.



One such proponent of the “I chose to believe the gospel and that made all the difference” philosophy, upon seeing some of my comments about Election and Predestination wrote me saying: 



“Will Kinney, your explanations of Ephesians 1:4,5 with 2:12,13 are unnecessarily unbiblical and illogically convoluted. Notice Ephesians (there’s a clue)1:1 “to the saints which are at Ephesus. Will, these Gentiles of 1:4 were positionally always In Him, these same gentiles of 2:12,13 were “without Christ“, ”having no hope””without God “but now (positionally )in Christ Jesus, according to 1:13,14 “after that ye believed “, and to clear things up for me “who is blinded” Mr.Will? , a gentile was In Christ forever.”



His thoughts and writing are confused, but basically he is asking how can we Gentiles be chosen IN Christ before the foundation of the world (1:4), and yet be described as “without Christ and having no hope” (2:12), but now “in Christ after ye believed.” (1:13-14)



This man has confused several different truths and run them all together into a mass of contradictions in his own mind.



First of all, he did not read Ephesians 1:13 correctly. It does NOT say that we are IN Christ after we believed. 



Verses 11 and 12 are describing the O.T. Jews who “first trusted in Christ” because of the O.T. promises. Abraham believed God; David believed God, and so did the prophets and many Old Testament saints first trusted in Christ.

This is referring to Old Testament times.



Verses 13-14 are referring to the Gentiles to whom now the gospel has gone forth and God is calling out a people for his name from among the Gentile nations. (See Acts 15:14)

“In whom ye also (you Gentiles) trusted, after that ye heard the gospel of your salvation; in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:13-14.

By the way, we NOW have the redemption of our souls and the forgiveness of sins, but the redemption of the body is still a future event. But God’s elect HAVE BEEN REDEEMED.

“In whom we HAVE redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace.” Ephesians 1:7

“Christ HATH REDEEMED US from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us” Galatians 3:13

“Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place HAVING OBTAINED ETERNAL REDEMPTION FOR US.” Hebrews 9:12


Now, let’s take a closer look at Ephesians chapter 2 and the surrounding context.


“Chosen in Christ”

In no uncertain terms God tells us in his book that “HE HATH CHOSEN US IN HIM (in Christ) BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love; HAVING PREDESTINATED US unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, ACCORDING TO THE GOOD PLEASURE OF HIS WILL, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.”  Ephesians 1:4-6

When the Bible says that we were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, it does not mean or say that we were redeemed or saved from the foundation of the world.

This is where most “free will” Arminians make a serious mistake in their thinking. We were not yet redeemed. This didn’t happen till Christ redeemed us by his blood on the cross and it was at that time that all of God’s elect were quickened together with Him and raised up together in Christ and purchased with His precious blood. Arminians confuse election with redemption and they are not the same thing.

And when exactly were God’s chosen people actually redeemed by the precious blood of the Lamb?  This same book of Ephesians goes on to explain in chapter 2:4-10 -

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, HATH QUICKENED US TOGETHER WITH CHRIST, (by grace ye are saved;)

6 AND HATH RAISED US UP TOGETHER, AND MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST JESUS:

7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 FOR WE ARE HIS WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”

The plain truth of Scripture is that God chose his people before the foundation of the world IN CHRIST, and that we were IN CHRIST when he died and we were raised up TOGETHER WITH HIM when he was raised, and we are now seated in the heavenly places IN CHRIST JESUS and that we are GOD’S workmanship CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS.

No where in these passages of holy Scripture do we read a single word about the vaunted “free will of man” or his “decision to follow Christ” or even of him “placing his faith in Christ.”  It is ALL of God.

If we were not chosen IN Christ before the foundation of the world, and were not IN Christ when he died and rose from the dead, then we are no child of God at all, and never will be. 
 
Ephesians 2:11-22. “At that time ye were without Christ”



11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;


12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.


14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;


15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;


16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:


17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.


18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.


19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;


20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;


21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:


22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”

It should be clear, once God opens our eyes to the plain meaning of the text, that when Paul refers to the Gentile believers to whom he is now writing, that he is referring to the Old Testament times BEFORE the cross.



“11 Wherefore remember, that ye being IN TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;


12 THAT AT THAT TIME ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


13 BUT NOW in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.”



“AT THAT TIME” refers to the Old Testament dispensation when the Gentile nations were strangers from the commonwealth of Israel, BUT NOW elect Gentiles have been made nigh by the blood of Christ and they are fellow citizens with the saints.

Compare Romans 9:23-26

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Gentiles without Christ before the cross - not my beloved people

the called Gentiles now made nigh after the cross - my beloved people.


This has nothing at all to do with, nor does it contradict the fact that God had chosen these elect from among the Gentile nations in Christ before the foundation of the world.



They were IN Christ when he died, quickened TOGETHER WITH HIM and raised up TOGETHER and made to sit TOGETHER in heavenly places IN Christ. Ephesians 2:5-6.



Just as we were all in Adam when he fell, so too all of God’s elect were IN Christ when he died, when he was quickened and when he was raised up from the dead.

BUT NOW the elect Gentiles “are made nigh by the blood of Christ.”

He IS our peace, who has made both (the elect Jewish believers and Gentile believers) one “and hath broken down the middle wall of partition.”



Christ reconciled both the elect from among the Jews and the Gentiles unto God in one body by the cross. (Ephesians 2:15-16)



17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.


18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.


19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God.”



There is no confusion once you see the truths of Election, Predestination, and Reconciliation.



God’s elect people from both among the Jewish nation and among the Gentile nations were CHOSEN IN CHRIST BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD and PREDESTINATED UNTO THE ADOPTION OF CHILDREN according to the good pleasure of God’s will - nor our will.



All of God’s elect, both Jew and Gentile, were IN Christ when he died, when he was quickened and when he rose from the dead, and we are now seated with him in the heavenly places. It is that sure.



Our redemption, reconciliation and the atonement made for our sins ALL took place at the cross.



The gospel is not an “offer” and it is not about something God WANTS to do or ATTEMPTS to do. It is a declaration of what God already DID at the cross where He loved the church and gave himself for it. Ephesians 5:25.

Only those who are His sheep will hear his voice and be given the faith to believe the gospel message.

“And other sheep I HAVE, which are not of this fold (the Jewish nation); THEM ALSO I MUST BRING, and THEY SHALL HEAR MY VOICE; and there shall be one fold and one shepherd.” John 10:16



He laid down his life for the sheep. (John 10:15)

He gave his life a ransom for many. (Matthew 20:28)

For the transgression of my people was he stricken. (Isaiah 53:8)

He shall save his people from their sins. (Matthew 1:21)


May God open the eyes of more of his people to the truth of his purpose according to election.

ALL of grace, believing the Book - the King James Holy Bible.

Will Kinney

Related Articles.

“WHY do some people have faith (believe) and others do not? See “Faith, the Fundamental Flaw in the Fable of Free Will.”

https://brandplucked.webs.com/faithflawoffreewill.htm

When were God’s people actually reconciled to God?

See “The Doctrine of Reconciliation - “God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself” - 2 Corinthians 5:19

https://brandplucked.webs.com/reconciliation2cor5.htm