Another King James Bible Believer

Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, NET, Jehovah Witness NWT etc. are  the new "Vatican Versions"

“Mystery, Babylon the Great, The Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth..is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird...and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication...Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Revelation 17:2-5; 18:2-4

 Note: You can also listen to a teaching video on Youtube regarding Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB etc. are the new Vatican Versions -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp6WXgAGIxc&list=PL16B2149EE5E54979&index=1 

 

I have a copy of the Nestle-Aland Novum Testamentum Graece 27th edition right here in front of me. It is the same Greek text as the UBS (United Bible Society) 4th edition. These are the Greek readings and texts that are followed by such modern versions as the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard AND the new Catholic versions like the St. Joseph New American Bible 1970 and the New Jerusalem bible 1985 AND the Jehovah Witness New World Translation.

 If you have a copy of the Nestle-Aland 27th edition, open the book and read what they tell us in their own words on page 45 of the Introduction. Here these critical Greek text editors tell us about how the Greek New Testament (GNT, now known as the UBS) and the Nestle-Aland Novum Testamentum Graece grew together and shared the same basic text.In the last paragraph on page 45 we read these words:

"The text shared by these two editions was adopted internationally by Bible Societies, and FOLLOWING AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE VATICAN AND THE UNITED BIBLE SOCIETIES IT HAS SERVED AS THE BASIS FOR NEW TRANSLATIONS AND FOR REVISIONS MADE UNDER THEIR SUPERVISION. THIS MARKS A SIGNIFICANT STEP WITH REGARD TO INTERCONFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIPS. 


IT SHOULD NATURALLY BE UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS TEXT IS A WORKING TEXT: IT IS NOT TO BE CONSIDERED AS DEFINITIVE, BUT A STIMULUS TO FURTHER EFFORTS TOWARDS DEFINING AND VERIFYING THE TEXT of the New Testament."


There it is folks, in their own words. They openly admit that this text is the result of an agreement between the Vatican and the UBS and that the text itself is not "definitive" - it can change, as it already has and will do so in the future, and is not the infallible words of God but merely "a stimulus to further efforts". 




The Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity

This from their own site -

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_pro_20051996_chrstuni_pro_en.html

Collaboration for the Diffusion of the Bible

“Following the responsibility undertaken by the then Secretariat for the preparation of the dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation, the PCPCU was entrusted with promoting ecumenical collaboration for the translation and diffusion of Holy Scripture (Dei Verbum, n. 22). In this context, it encouraged the formation of the Catholic Biblical Federation, with which it is in close contact. TOGETHER WITH THE UNITED BIBLE SOCIETIES IT PUBLISHED THE GUIDELINES FOR INTERCONFESSIONAL COOPERATION IN TRANSLATING THE BIBLE.” (1968; new revised edition 1987).

The United Bible Societies Vice-President is Roman Catholic Cardinal Onitsha of Nigeria. On the executive committee is Roman Catholic Bishop Alilona of Italy and among the editors is Roman Catholic Cardinal Martini of Milan. Patrick Henry happily claims, "Catholics should work together with Protestants in the fundamental task of Biblical translation …[They can] work very well together and have the same approach and interpretation ... This signals a new age in the church." - Patrick Henry, New Directions in New Testament Study (Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 1979), 232-234.

Here is the United Bible Societies own website where they announced in March of 2013 the news of the new Pope Francis' longtime support of the UBS.


United Bible Societies welcomes Pope Francis


MARCH 15, 2013 - The election of Pope Francis, ‘a long-time friend of the Bible Societies’, is an encouragement to United Bible Societies (UBS) to work even harder to make the Bible available to everyone.

“He is a man of the UNIVERSAL CHURCH with an ECUMENICAL spirit and he is a pastor, who knows the reality of ‘simple’ people. The new Pope is a truly biblical person whose faith and actions are deeply rooted in the Bible and inspired by the Word of God.”


“As a long-time FRIEND of the BIBLE SOCIETIES Pope Francis knows that our raison d’être is the call to collaborate in the incarnation of our Christian faith,” says Mr Perreau. “WE ASSURE POPE Francis of our RENEWED AVAILABILITY to SERVE the CATHOLIC CHURCH in her endeavours to make the Word of God the centre of NEW evangelisation." 



 

Want more proof that the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET etc. are the new Vatican Versions?

 

Check out which Greek New Testament Catholic Bibles blog is promoting.  They also recommend the NIV and NET and you can get an ESV complete with the Apocryphal books at this site. But can you guess which Bible you WON'T find on their list of Recommended Bibles?

 

Catholic Bibles Blog promotes the Nestle-Aland 28th Critical Text  Edition

 

http://www.catholicbiblesblog.com/2013/09/novum-testamentum-graece-nestle-aland.html


 

On October 11th of 1962, the first session of the Vatican Council II meet in St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. Over the next few years, they plotted out the future of the Roman Catholic Church.

 

On November 18th, 1965, the "Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation" was written. In chapter 6, on page 112, we read:

"But since the word of God must be readily available at all times, the church, with motherly concern, sees to it that suitable and correct translations are made into various languages, especially from the orginal texts of the sacred books. If, when the opportunity presents itself and the authority of the church agree, these translations are made jointly with churches separated from us, they can then be used by all Christians."

This is all the plan and design of the Jesuits to destroy the doctrine of "Sola Scriptura" and to bring the whole world back under the control of the Pope! For many direct quotes from Occultists, Spiritualists and Satanists who openly and harshly criticized the King James Bible and who promoted the Revised Version put out by Westcott and Hort to undermine and destroy faith in the King James Bible as the infallible words of God in the English language, see this site here. You will be amazed.

 https://www.facebook.com/notes/brian-sirois/is-codex-sinaiticus-א-the-oldest-manuscript-or-just-an-invention-of-the-19th-cen/596041167093563?comment_id=6422380&offset=0&total_comments=9


 

Pope Francis supports United Bible Societies & Catholic Biblical Federation on ‘Bible and Family’ plans


http://www.unitedbiblesocieties.org/news/united-bible-societies-greatly-encouraged-by-popes-commitment-to-family-issues/


 

 

The Rome-­based meeting, which ended this afternoon after a morning audience with Pope Francis, was organized by UBS in order to explore ways in which Bible Societies can work more closely with the Catholic Church to get the Bible into the hands of more families. 

From the Vatican’s own website


http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/general-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_19871116_guidelines-bible_en.html


GUIDELINES
FOR
INTERCONFESSIONAL
COOPERATION
IN TRANSLATING THE BIBLE
THE NEW REVISED EDITION ROME

1987

 

PRESENTATION

 

The Secretariat for Promoting Christian Unity and the United Bible Societies are pleased to present to all concerned a revised version of the 1968 “Guiding Principles for Interconfessional Cooperation in Translating the Bible”.


The document, now entitled “Guidelines for Interconfessional Cooperation in Translating the Bible”, affirming the spirit and following the principles set forth in the historic agreement first published in 1968, reflects the experience gained in producing scores of Bible translations since then. These interconfessional Bible trans­lation projects have largely been made possible by those “Guiding Principles”; as a result of reports received from the users minor modifications have now been introduced into this new edition.


The basic understanding, however, remains unchanged: as in the past, interconfessional translations will continue to be based on a Hebrew text of the Old Testament and a Greek text of the New Testament which have been agreed on by scholars from various church traditions. Drafting and reviewing of the translations will be carried out in close cooperation, with the aim that the new text will be acceptable to, and be used by all Christians and Christian communities who speak the language into which the translation is being made.


The clear goal of this interconfessional effort is to produce editions of the Holy Scriptures which provide all speakers of the language with a common text. This will in turn make possible, often for the first time, a common witness to the Word of God in the world of today. To all who are interested in obtaining faithful and understandable translations of the Bible, this updated version of the “Guidelines” will, we pray, be an effective instrument for reaching this goal.


May God bless those who work to make His Word more widely known and lived, and through them bless all who will receive and read these new interconfessional translations. 

Vatican City, November 16th, 1987.


 

The ESV -  

 

The ESV - In the Preface of the ESV 2001 on page ix under the title Textual Basis it says: The ESV is based...on the Greek text in the 1993 editions of the Greek New Testament (4th corrected edition), published by the United Bible Societies (UBS) and Novum Testamentum Graece (27th edition), edited by Nestle and Aland."

 

 

The NIV -  Likewise in the Preface of the NIV 2011 edition in the Preface on page vi it says: "The Greek text used in translating the New Testament is an eclectic one, based on the latest editions of the Nestle-Aland/United Bible Societies' Greek New Testament."

The NASB - And the NASB 1995 edition says in its Preface on page iv: "Greek Text: Consideration was given to the latest available manuscripts with a view to determining the best Greek text. In most instances the 26th edition of the Eberhard Nestle's Novum Testamentum Graece was followed."

The Holman Christian Standard Version 2003 Introductory page tells us:  "The textual base for the HCSB New Testament is the NESTLE-ALAND NOVUM TESTAMENTUM GRAECE 27th edition, and the United Bible Society N.T. 4th edition."

The Catholic St. Joseph New American Bible 1970 Preface page 44: "The text used by the translators of the New Testament. In general, Nestle-Aland's Novum Testamentum Graece (25th edition, 1963) was followed. Additional help was derived from the Greek New Testament (editors Aland, Black, Metzger, Widgren), produced for the use of translators by the United Bible Societies in 1966."

In addition to this, the opening of the Preface of the St. Joseph NAB says: "The translators have carried out the directive of our predecesor, Pius XII, in his famous Encyclical Divino Afflante Spiritu, and the decree of the Second Vatican Council (Dei Verbum), which prescribed that "up-to-date and appropriate translations be made in the various languages, by preference from original texts of the sacred books:, and that "with the approval of Church authority, these translations may be produced in cooperation with our separated brethren" so that "all Christians may be able to use them."

When we look at the "Jehovah Witnesses" Greek Interlinear N.T. on pages 8 through 9 we read about which text is used to create there corrupt New World Translation.

"The Greek Text : The Greek text that we have used as the basis for the New World Translation is the widely accepted Westcott and Hort text (1881), by reason of its acknowledge excellence. But he have also taken into consideration other texts,including those prepaired by D. Eberhard Nestle, and the spanish Jesuit Scholar Jose Maria Bover, and another Jesuit Scholar, A. Merle. The UBS text of 1975 and the Nestle-Aland text of 1977 were consulted to update the critical apparatus of this edition." (The Forward, The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, 1985, page 8.)


"In the broad left-hand column of the pages will be found the Greek text edited by B F Westcott and F J Hort, and published in 1881." (By Way of Explanation, The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures- 1985, page 5.)

 

The United Bible Society Critical Greek textbook has its own internal DOUBT -O- METER!

The introduction to the Greek text United Bible Societies Third Edition 1983, pages xii-xiii says under the heading The Textual Apparatus: “By means of the letters A, B, C, and D, enclosed within "braces" { } at the beginning of each set of textual variants, the Committee has sought to indicate the relative degree of certainty, arrived at on the basis of internal considerations as well as of external evidence, for the reading adopted as the text. The letter A signifies that the text is VIRTUALLY certain, while B indicates that there is some degree of DOUBT The letter C means that there is a considerable DEGREE of DOUBT whether the text or the apparatus contains the superior reading, while D shows that there is a VERY HIGH DEGREE OF DOUBT concerning the reading selected for the text.”

 

The Battle for the Bible is a spiritual battle. We wrestle not against flesh and blood but agains spiritual wickedness in high places. It did not begin with the Catholic counter Reformation, but the Whore of Babylon is "the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit" (Revelation 18:2). The real battle began in the garden of Eden with the serpent's first question - "Yea, hath God said...?".  Westcott and Hort, who hated what they called "that vile Textus Receptus", were themselves enamored with the Roman Catholic church.  This is clearly seen in their own writings.

Some of Brooke Foss Westcott's beliefs in his own words:


On Infallibility of Scripture: "For I too 'must disclaim settling for infallibility.' In the front of my convictions all I hold is the more I learn, the more I am convinced that fresh doubts come from my own ignorance, and that at present I find the presumption in favor of the absolute truth -- I reject the word infallibility -- of Holy Scripture overwhelming." (Letter to F.J.A. Hort, May 5, 1860) (Vol. I, p. 207)

 


On Roman Catholicism: "... almost all Anglican statements are a mixture in various proportions of the true and the Romish view ... the pure Romish view seems to me nearer, and more likely to lead to, the truth than the Evangelical." (Letter to Mr. John Ellerton, July 6, 1848) (Vol. I, p. 76)

 

On Evolution

  • Quote #1: "Have you read Darwin? How I should like to talk with you about it! In spite of difficulties, I am inclined to think it unanswerable. In any case, it is a treat to read such a book." (Life and Letters of Hort, Vol. I, pg. 414).

  • Quote #2: "But the book which has most engaged me is Darwin. Whatever may be thought of it, it is a book that one is proud to be contemporary with. I must work out and examine the argument more in detail, but at present my feeling is strong that the theory is unanswerable." (Life and Letters of Hort, Vol. I, pg. 416).

  • Quote #3: "No one now, I suppose, holds that the first three chapters of Genesis, for example, give a literal history - I could never understand how anyone reading them with open eyes could think they did" (Life and Letters of Hort, Vol. II, pg. 69).

 

 

Bible critics  (none of whom believes that any Bible in any language IS the complete, inspired and 100% historically true words of God) often attack King James Bible believers for using a Bible with "Roman Catholic" roots. For example Doug Kutilek's article “Is the King James Version a Roman Catholic Bible?”
 
Recently I was at a Christian Forum on Facebook and I got more than a couple of remarks like: “Well, we can thank the Catholic church for the King James Bible” or “you wouldn't have the KJV without the RCC. They sponsored Erasmus (RC scholar) who rushed the manuscripts which are the basis for the the KJV.” 

 

Their argument goes something like this: the Textus Receptus Greek text was edited by Erasmus, the King James New Testament was based upon the Textus Receptus.  Erasmus was a loyal Roman Catholic so the King James Bible has strong Catholic roots.

 

The Vatican Versionists today - ESV, NIV, NASB, NET, Holman etc. cannot deny the fact that the Vatican is directly involved in creating the "interconfessional" text that underlies all their ever changing versions. Why?  Because their own Critical Greek text tells them that this is the case.  So, in an effort to bring us to the conclusion that "The KJB is just as Catholic as our new versions", they always drag out this Erasmus thingy and hope to lead us down this erroneous rabbit trail.

They ignore the fact that Erasmus never was a practicing Catholic priest; he often criticized many doctrines and practices of the Roman Catholic Church; he died in the presence of his Protestant friends; his books were eventually placed on the forbidden to read list by the RCC and most importantly, no Catholic bible version ever used the Greek text of Erasmus to make up their translations, but ALL Reformation bibles did use Erasmus, Stephanus and Beza as their textual basis.

The King James Bible translators did not even primarily use Erasmus but relied far more on the Greek texts of Stephanus and Beza.

The modern Vatican Version users  (ESV, NIV, NASB etc.) use this flimsy and ultimately meaningless Erasmus-Catholic connection as an excuse to justify their use and promotion of their ever changing bogus bibles that not even they believe are the complete and infallible words of God.

 

As usual, the KJB critics’ argument is misinformed, deeply biased and misapplied.  Learn more about the man Erasmus and his theology here:

 

 In Defense of Erasmus by Dr. John Cereghin Pastor, Grace Baptist Church of Smyrna, Delaware

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/719815/posts

 

And here -  

 

http://www.wayoflife.org/database/erasmus.html

 

Please read the entire article, but briefly some of relevant points that should be noted are: Erasmus published his printed Greek text in 1516. This was prior to the beginning of the Reformation in 1517 when Luther nailed his ninety-five theses to the door of the church in Wittenburg, Germany. There WAS no Reformation or any official Protestants at this time.  Aside from a few persecuted minorities like the Waldenses in the remote Alps, the Catholic church was the only game in town.  Even Wycliffe and Tyndale were nominal Catholics.  He dedicated his Greek text to the Pope, but this was most likely a political move to get his Greek text accepted and it ultimately did not do him any good at all. 

 

It was soon said by the Catholics that Erasmus laid the egg and Luther hatched the chickens.  His books and writings were soon banned by the Pope himself.  Erasmus examined hundreds of Greek manuscripts from all over Europe. He was familiar with virtually every variant reading we know of today.  He was NOT limited in his knowledge of Greek readings by the alleged ten manuscripts he used to put together the New Testament Greek text.  His Greek text, along with the minor revisions of Stephanus and Beza became the basis for the New Testament texts of all Reformation Bibles.  The King James Bible translators worked primarily with Beza's fifth edition of the Greek Traditional text of 1598.

 

Luther was a Reformer from outside the Catholic church, while Erasmus believed he could reform it from the inside. Erasmus himself wrote against many of the abuses and excesses of the Catholic church and the celibacy of the priests. He rejected the typical Roman Catholic interpretation of Matthew 16:18 establishing the papal primacy and he began to teach baptism by immersion AFTER conversion. There is no record of him ever officiating as a Catholic priest and he died in Switzerland in 1536 surrounded by his Protestant friends.

 

What is called the Textus Receptus was NOT the basis for the Catholic Bibles, but rather for the Reformation Bibles like Luther’s German Bible, the French Olivetan, the Italian Diodati, the Portuguese Almeida, the Spanish Reina Valera, the English Geneva Bible and of course the King James Holy Bible. 

 

The Catholic church never did approve of the Textus Receptus. In fact, the Council of Trent (1545-1564) branded Erasmus a heretic and prohibited his works. In 1559, Pope Paul IV placed Erasmus on the first class of forbidden authors, which was composed of authors whose works were completely condemned.

 

 

The King James Bible translators themselves did not even primarily use the Greek text of Erasmus for their magnificent translation, but rather the Greek texts of Stephanus and Theodore Beza, though all three are in basic agreement.

 

So, what exactly is the primary basis for such modern bibles as the NASB, NIV, RSV, ESV and Daniel Wallace’s NET versions etc?  It’s the United Bible Society’s ever changing and evolving “nothing is settled or sure” Greek text based primarily on the VATICANUS manuscript found in the Vatican library, and put out by a joint effort of Evangelicals and the Catholic Church!  Hello?... Is any body home?  I like to call this ever changing Greek text used by many of  today’s “No Bible is inerrant” crowd the Textus Corruptus.

 

Do these modern day "Evangelical/Catholic" bibles like the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET always follow those so called "oldest and best manuscripts" like Vaticanus?  Of course not.  Vaticanus and Sinaiticus both entirely omit 12 whole verses from Mark 16:9-20 and another 12 entire verses from John 7:53 to John 8:11.  Yet they hypocritically cease to use "the oldest and best" in these 24 entire verses and put them in their "bibles" because all these verses ARE found in the Majority of all Greek texts, the Latin Vulgate and the Catholic bible versions like the Douay-Rheims, the 1950 Douay and the New Jerusalem bible of 1985 - and not even in [brackets]! If you want to see what these so called "oldest and best manuscripts" of Vaticanus and Sinaiticus are REALLY like, take a look at this revealing study here:

 

http://brandplucked.webs.com/oldestandbestmss.htm 

 

The basis for the modern day Catholic bibles and the textually identical "Catholic" bible versions like the ESV, NIV, NASBs etc. is not even the Latin Vulgate New Testament.  Of the 17 entire verses omitted by today's Catholic versions, 9 of the 17 entire verses were found in the Latin Vulgate!  You can see one of the Vulgate bible versions (there are several of them) here and check it out for yourself.

 

http://www.drbo.org/lvb/ 

 

This particular Latin Vulgate contains Matthew 12:47, Matthew 17:21 (in verse 20 - their numbering system is a bit different than ours), Matthew 18:11; Mark 7:16; Mark 9:44 and 46 (located in Mark 9:45, 47); Mark 11:26; Mark 15:28 and Luke 23:17 are all found in the Latin Vulgate! Even the older Catholic bible versions like the Douay-Rheims and the Douay of 1950 contained most of the verses that are now omitted by today's "United" Bible Societies ever changing versions.

 

You can see the Douay-Rheims Catholic bible here. Compare the verses and see how many of them were IN the previous Catholic bible versions!  To me, this is absolutely mind blowing how today's United Bible Society is churning out this new unified bible that differs so much from even the previous Catholic Bibles, all in the name of "Christian unity".  Here is the previous Catholic Douay-Rheims bible.

 

http://www.drbo.org/  

 

 You can look up the verses and see for yourself in black and white that it contains in its New Testament text the following verses that are entirely omitted by the UBS Evangelical/Catholic Combine that is churning out the now popular ESV, NIV and NASB "bibles". The NASB and Holman Standard [bracket many of these verses, thus indicating doubt as to their authenticity].  A real faith builder, isn't it, to have entire sections of the Bible [in brackets]!!  

 

The Douay-Rheims bible of 1582 and the Douay Version of 1950 both contained all of Matthew 12:47; 17:21 (v.20); 18:11; all of 23:14!, Mark 7:16; 9:44 and 9:46 (v.45,47); Mark 11:26; 15:28; Luke 23:17, John 5:4!, Acts 8:37!!; Acts 24:6b through 8a; Acts 28:29; Romans 16:24 and even 1 John 5:7 "And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one."!!!  Absolutely Amazing, isn't it?  So, who is coming up with this new Evangelical/Catholic Connection bible and why?

 

The hundreds of textual differences between the Traditional Text Reformation bibles and the modern UBS Catholic/Evangelical bible versions is that there is a concerted effort between the Catholics and modern apostate Christianity to create "a new bible" that will be accepted by both camps.

 

It doesn't matter to them whether it is the complete, inspired and inerrant Bible or not. Neither the Evangelicals nor the Catholics believe such a thing exists! Their continuing mantra is that "ONLY the originals WERE inspired" and nobody knows for sure what the originals said, so we no longer have an inerrant bible anyway.  Apparently what is important to them is that both their "bibles" agree, even though not one of them believes it IS the inerrant words of God nor our final authority.  

 

If the Bible is not the inerrant words of God, then the Bible is not our final authority and we will then need to look elsewhere.  And where might that final authority be found? the "scholars"?  (Evangelicals' modern day "priestcraft"), "the Pope"? or the next world religious leader (the Anti-Christ)?  But you can bet it sure won't be their "bible".

 

Guess why the UBS (United Bible Society) Greek texts are the basis for all these new versions? It's because Catholics and Evangelicals were united to produce this text. One of the 5 chief editors was the New Age Jesuit Cardinal Carlos Martini, who believed god was in all men and in all religions. Just open a copy of the UBS New Testament Greek and turn to the first page.  There you will see a list of the 5 chief editors who put this abomination together.  The 4th name on the list, right before the inerrancy denying Bruce Metzger, is Carlo M. Martini.  

 

In his book "In the Thick of His Ministry" the Jesuit Cardinal Martini writes: “The deification which is the aim of all religious life takes place. During a recent trip to India I was struck by the yearning for the divine that pervades the whole of Hindu culture. It gives rise to extraordinary religious forms and extremely meaningful prayers. I wondered: What is authentic in this longing to fuse with the divine dominating the spirituality of hundreds of millions of human beings, so that they bear hardship, privation, exhausting pilgrimages, in search of this ecstasy?" (In The Thick Of His Ministry, Carlo M. Martini, page 42.) 

 

Jesuit Cardinal Martini served on the editorial committee for the United Bible Societies' 2nd, 3rd and 4th editions. These are the "bibles" most modern Christians are using today when they pick up the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET or modern Catholic "bibles".

 

The United Bible Society has been directly associated with apostate Unitarians, who deny the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Roman Catholic Church from the very beginning and even more so today. See 4 pages of documentation that prove this beyond all possible doubt. 

 

The True Colors of the United Bible Society 

 

http://prophets-see-all.tripod.com/46645.htm

http://prophets-see-all.tripod.com/46646.htm

http://prophets-see-all.tripod.com/46647.htm

http://prophets-see-all.tripod.com/46648.htm

 

King James Bible defender David Cloud writes: “It is also important to note that there is no comparison between the situation with Erasmus and what we find in the field of modern textual criticism and the modern Bible versions today. Erasmus edited the Greek New Testament on his own. He was not doing that work in any official capacity in the Catholic Church nor did he have Rome’s backing but rather was criticized for it and his work was condemned in the strongest terms.

 

On the other hand, the Roman Catholic Church has accepted modern textual criticism and the modern Bible versions with open arms. In 1965, Pope Paul VI authorized the publication of a new Latin Vulgate, with the Latin text conformed to the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament (Michael de Semlyen, All Roads Lead to Rome, p. 201). In 1987 a formal agreement was made between the Roman Catholic Church and the United Bible Societies that the critical Greek New Testament will be used for all future translations, both Catholic and Protestant (Guidelines for International Cooperation in Translating the Bible, Rome, 1987, p. 5). Most of the translations produced by the United Bible Societies are “interconfessional,” meaning they have Roman Catholic participation and backing.” 

 

It is interesting to note that the latest United Bible Societies Text, descended from the Westcott and Hort family, boasts, "the new text is a reality, and as the text distributed by the United Bible Societies and by the corresponding office of the Roman Catholic Church it has rapidly become the commonly accepted text for research and study in universities and church." - Kurt Aland and Barbara Aland, The Text of the New Testament (Grand Rapids: Wm B Eerdmans, 1995), 35.

 

This comes from The Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity site. (PCPCU) Here is their site -

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_pro_20051996_chrstuni_pro_en.html

Here is their own Vatican statement regarding translations - Collaboration for the Diffusion of the Bible

Following the responsibility undertaken by the then Secretariat for the preparation of the dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation, the PCPCU was entrusted with promoting ecumenical collaboration for the translation and diffusion of Holy Scripture (Dei Verbum, n. 22). In this context, it encouraged the formation of the Catholic Biblical Federation, with which it is in close contact. Together with the United Bible Societies it published the Guidelines for Interconfessional Cooperation in Translating the Bible (1968; new revised edition 1987).

 

 

The St. Joseph New American Bible 1970 says in its Preface: "The translators have carried out the directive of our predecessor, Pius XII, in his famous Encyclical Divino Afflante Spiritu, and the decree of the Second Vatican Council (Dei Verbum) which prescribed that..."with the approval of Church authority, these translations may be produced in cooperation with our separated brethren so that all Christians may be able to use them."  From the Vatican, September 18, 1970 

 

 Here in my study I have a copy of the 1970 St. Joseph New American Bible translated by Members of the Catholic Biblical Association of America. This Catholic bible version says on page 44 of the Introduction : "In general, Nestle’s-Aland’s Novum Testamentum Graece (25th edition, 1963) was followed. Additional help was derived from The Greek New Testament (editors Aland, Black, Metzger, Wikgren) produced for the use of translators by the United Bible Societies in 1966.” - The St. Joseph New American Bible, Catholic Book Publishing Co. New York.

 

 Guess which bible versions match the Catholic bibles today. Check out any modern Catholic bible version today like the St. Joseph New American Bible 1970 or the New Jerusalem bible 1985 and compare the following New Testament verses: Matthew 6:13 "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen" (gone), all of verses Matthew17:21 (gone), Matthew 18:11 (gone), Matthew 23:14 (gone), Mark 9:44, 46 (gone); Mark 11:26 (gone), Mark 15:28 (gone), Most of Luke 9:55-56 (gone) Luke 17:36 (gone), Luke 23:17 (gone) John 5:4 (gone), Acts 8:37 (gone), Acts 15:34 (gone), Acts 24:6b - 8a (gone), Acts 28:29 (gone), Romans 16:24 (gone) and 1 John 5:7-8 missing are the words "in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth". Then check your modern versions like the  NIV, ESV, RSV, NET, [NASB], [Holman Standard] and the Jehovah Witness version called "The New World Translation". Surprise!  What’s missing?  Why... it’s the same verses! 

 

You can buy the NIV at your local Catholic book stores -

 

http://catholicbibles.blogspot.com/2009/05/catholic-edition-of-niv.html 

 

The ESV is now published with the Apocryphal books; you can pick up a copy at the Catholic book stores, but you won't find the King James Bible there.  Here is a Catholic site that advertises it -

 


http://www.catholicbiblesblog.com/2009/01/esv-w-apocrypha-deuterocanonicals-is.html

 

 

 

Here is a list of the "bibles" they recommend at this Catholic site

  

 

Luke 9:54-56 present an interesting case. In the King James Bible we read: "And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, EVEN AS ELIAS? But he turned, and rebuked them, AND SAID, YE KNOW NOT WHAT MANNER OF SPIRIT YE ARE OF. FOR THE SON OF MAN IS NOT COME TO DESTROY MEN'S LIVES, BUT TO SAVE THEM. And they went to another village."  

 

All the words I have capitalized in these three verses are found in the Majority of all Greek texts, and are found in many ancient versions like the Syriac Peshitta, Curetonian, Palestinian, Harkelian, Georgian, Gothic, Coptic Sahidic and Boharic, Ethiopian and the Old Latin.

 

They are also in the Modern Greek and the Modern Hebrew bibles as well as Wycliffe 1395, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, the King James Bible, the French Martin 1744, French Ostervald 1996, Italian Diodati 1649 and New Diodati 1991, Luther's German Bible 1545 and 1951 German Schlachter, the Spanish Sagradas Escrituras 1569 and the Reina Valera 1909, 1995 and even the older Catholic bibles like the Douay-Rheims of 1582 and 1899 and the Douay of 1950. 

 

 

The NASBs reveal their fickle nature in that when it first came out in 1963 they completely omitted all these words from the text, and they did so again in the 1972 and 1973 editions.  I have these NASBs right here in my study and all these words are omitted from their texts.  Then in 1977 and again in 1995 they put them back in [but in brackets] indicating doubt as to their authenticity.

 

What is happening here is that Vaticanus and Sinaiticus omit all these words, as do the Westcott-Hort and UBS Greek texts and so all these words are now omitted by such versions as the NIV, RSV, ESV, Holman Standard, the J.W. New World Translation, Daniel Wallace's NET version AND (you guessed it) the Catholic St. Joseph NAB 1970 and the New Jerusalem bible of 1985.  As a result, these Catholic Connection versions read like the ESV - "...Lord, do you want us to tell fire to come down from heaven and consume them? But he turned and rebuked them. And they went on to another village."

 

By the way, ALL of 1 John 5:7 “the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one” are found in Wycliffe 1395, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew’s Bible (John Rogers) 1549, the Bishops’ Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, the King James Bible 1611, John Calvin’s translation, the French La Bible de Geneva 1669, the French Martin 1744, French Ostervald 1996, the Portuguese de Almeida 1681 -"Porque três säo os que testificam no céu: o Pai, a Palavra, e o Espírito Santo; e estes três säo um. ", the Italian Diodati 1602, 1649, the New Diodati 1991, the Spanish Reina 1569, the Reina Valera of 1602, 1909, 1995, and the NKJV of 1982, plus a multitude of other foreign language Bibles.

 

Believe it or not, but 1 John 5:7 as it stands in the King James Bible and all these others was also the reading of the previous Catholic bibles.  It was in the Douay Rheims of 1582 (See the link above), the Douay-Rheims of 1899 and even in the Douay of 1950.

 

It wasn't till the St. Joseph New American Bible of 1970 that the Catholic bibles began to remove "the three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one" from their translations. For more information on why these words are inspired Scripture see -

 

http://brandplucked.webs.com/1john57.htm

 

Modern versions like the ESV, NASB, NIV, RSV, Holman Standard, Common English bible, Dan Wallace and company's NET version and the Jehovah Witness's New World Translation are for the most part Catholic bibles, not Reformation bibles. They aren't even like the previous Catholic bibles. They are headed in the wrong direction and getting worse, not better. As for the ESV, I believe it is for the most part just like the liberal RSV, of which the ESV is a revision. The ESV rejects even more whole verses than the NASB, NIV. The ESV omits Matthew 12:47 too, just like the Catholic New Jerusalem bible of 1985, but it is still found in the NASB, NIV.

 

The ESV often rejects the Hebrew readings (as do the NASB, NIV, RSV, NET and the New Jerusalem bible), and they have already come out with the 2nd ESV in 2007 which changed over 350 verses from the previous ESV of 2001.  Then they changed the ESV for the third time in 2011.  The so called "science" of textual criticism is a joke and a fool's game. If you want to see more concrete information about the ESV, check out this study I did on my own of this new version that is now beginning to grow in popularity.

 

The NASB has virtually disappeared from the scene and is now dead in the water and the ESVs are growing in popularity. The "old" New International Version is no longer being printed and the "new" New International Version has now come out in 2011 in which, by their own admission, they have changed some 10% of the verses from the previous NIV, and have altered some of the Hebrew and Greek texts they used in the previous NIVs.  The shelf life of these modern versions is not very long.

 

http://brandplucked.webs.com/theesv.htm

 

For Proof that versions like the NASB, NIV, ESV all often reject the clear Hebrew readings and not even in the same places see these two articles I have put together by my own comparative studies.  This is not empty theory and innuendo, but concrete facts you can see and verify for yourself.

 

http://brandplucked.webs.com/nivnasbrejecthebrew.htm

 

http://brandplucked.webs.com/nivnasbrejecthebrew2.htm

 

 

Most Evangelical Christians today do not believe that any Bible in any language IS the inerrant words of God. In spite of the lame, signifying nothing, recent Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy, they did get one thing right. It’s found in Article XII - “We deny that Biblical infallibility and inerrancy are limited to spiritual, religious, or redemptive themes, exclusive of assertions in the fields of history and science.” Every true Bible believer should agree with this statement. IF the Bible is not 100% historically true, then at what point does God start to tell us the truth? If we cannot trust God's Book when it comes to specific numbers and names when it tells us of past historical events, then how can we be sure He got the other parts right?


It is devastating for the modern version promoter to see where the New Jerusalem Catholic bible lands on these verses. Also notice how the previous Catholic Douay-Rheims read. It was a whole lot closer to the historical truth than are these more modern translations. 

The following short list is just a sampling of the divergent and confusing readings found among the contradictory modern bible versions. There are numerous other examples, but these are just a few to make you aware of what is going on here with "the late$t in $cholar$hip Finding$".

 

Among these “historic details” are whether Jeremiah 27:1 reads Jehoiakim (Hebrew texts, RV, ASV, NKJV, KJB, ISV, Douay-Rheims, St. Joseph New American Bible 1970) or Zedekiah (RSV, NIV, NASB, ESV, NET, Holman, Catholic New Jerusalem 1985)


Or 1 Samuel 13:1 - “Saul reigned ONE year; and when he had reigned TWO years over Israel, Saul chose him three thousand men of Israel.”  reading - ONE/TWO years (NKJV, KJB, Geneva, Judaica Press Tanach, Orthodox Jewish Bible), or 40/32 (NASB 1972-77) or 30/42 (NASB 1995, NIV),  OR 30 years/ 40 years (NET) or _____years and______and two years (RSV, NRSV, ESV 2001 edition, St. Joseph New American Bible 1970, Catholic New Jerusalem 1985), or "was 40 years old...and when he had reigned 2 years" (ASV 1901, Amplified bible 1987) or "____years old and reigned 2 years" (Complete Jewish bible, Knox bible, , Jehovah Witness New World Translation) or "was 30 years old...ruled for 42 years" (ISV, Common English Bible) or “32 years old...reigned for 22 years” in the 1989 Revised English Bible, or as the Jehovah Witness New World Translation has it - I Samuel 13:1 - “Saul was . . .* years old when he became king, and for two years he reigned over Israel. “  Footnote: The number is missing in the Hebrew text." or even "was 50 years old and reigned 22 years." in the New English Bible of 1970!
 
But wait.  There's even more. The ESV 2001 edition had "Saul was________years old when he began to reign, and he reigned____and two years over Israel."  But now the 2011 edition of the ESV has come out (I have a hard copy right here in front of me) and it now has the perhaps even more ridiculous reading of "Saul LIVED FOR ONE YEAR AND THEN BECAME KING, and when he had reigned FOR TWO YEARS over Israel, Saul chose 3000 men of Israel...".  Think about it. "Saul lived for one year and then became king".  They just get loopier and loopier, don't they?
 

 

Or 1 Samuel 6:19 - 50,070 men slain (KJB, Douay-Rheims, RV, ASV, NASB, NET) or only 70 (ESV, NIV, RSV, St. Joseph NAB, New Jerusalem bible) or 75 (The Voice) or 70 men, 50 chief men (Youngs) or 70 men and 50 oxen (NKJV, NLT footnote)? 

 

Or 1 Samuel 13:5 we read: "And the Philistines gathered themselves together to fight with Israel, THIRTY thousand chariots..." (Hebrew text, Geneva, RV, ASV, NKJV, ESV, NASB, Douay-Rheims) or "THREE thousand chariots." (Syriac text, NET, NIV, Holman, St. Joseph NAB, New Jerusalem bible)
 
 

 Or whether 2 Samuel 21:8 reads Michal (Hebrew texts, KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV, Douay-Rheims) or Merab (RSV, NIV, NASB, ESV, NET, Holman, ISV, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem)

 

or 70 (NASB, NKJV, RV, ASV, RSV, NRSV, Holman, ISV, KJB) being sent out by the Lord Jesus in Luke 10:1 and 17 or 72 (NIV, ESV, NET, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem) 

 

or in Matthew 18:22 does the Lord say to forgive your brother not “until 7 times, but unto 70 times 7 times” (= 490 times - KJB, RV, ASV, NASB, NKJV, RSV, ESV, ISV, Douay-Rheims, St. Joseph NAB, ALL Greek texts) or 77 times (NRSV, NIV, Catholic New Jerusalem)

 

or the 7th day in Judges 14:15 (KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV, Douay-Rheims) or the 4th day (RSV, ESV, NASB, NIV, NET, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem) or "the NEXT day" ISV (they just made this up!)

 

Or Hannah taking young Samuel to the house of the LORD with THREE bullocks  in 1 Samuel 1:24 (KJB, Hebrew texts, RV, ASV, JPS 1917, NKJV, Youngs, NET, Douay-Rheims) or “A THREE YEAR OLD BULL: (LXX, Syriac RSV, ESV, NIV, NASB, ISV, Holman, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem)  

 

or God smiting 50,070 men in 1 Samuel 6:19 (KJB, RV, ASV, NASB, NET, ISV, Douay-Rheims) or 70 men slain (RSV, NIV, NRSV, ESV, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem),  or “70 men- 50 chief men” (Young’s), or “70 MEN OUT OF 50,000 Holman Standard

 

or there being 30,000 chariots in 1 Samuel 13:5 (KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV, NASB, RSV, NRSV, ESV, ISV, Douay-Rheims) or only 3000 (NIV, NET,  Holman, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem)

 

or 1 Samuel 13:1  Here we read: “Saul reigned ONE year; and when he had reigned TWO years over Israel, Saul chose him three thousand men of Israel.”  reading - ONE/TWO years (NKJV, KJB, Geneva, Judaica Press Tanach), or 40/32 (NASB 1972-77) or 30/42 (NASB 1995, NIV),  OR 30 years/ 40 years (NET) or _____years and.______and two years (RSV, NRSV, ESV, St. Joseph New American Bible 1970, Catholic New Jerusalem 1985), or "was 30 years old...ruled for 42 years" ISV, or even “32 years old...reigned for 22 years” in the 1989 Revised English Bible!

 

But wait.  There's even more. The ESV 2001 edition had "Saul was________years old when he began to reign, and he reigned____and two years over Israel."  But now the 2011 edition of the ESV has come out (I have a hard copy right here in front of me) and it now has the perhaps even more ridiculous reading of "Saul LIVED FOR ONE YEAR AND THEN BECAME KING, and when he had reigned FOR TWO YEARS over Israel, Saul chose 3000 men of Israel...".  Think about it. "Saul lived for one year and then became king".  They just get loopier and loopier, don't they? 


 

2 Samuel 15:7 “forty years” (KJB, Hebrew, Geneva, NKJV, NASB, RV, Douay-Rheims) OR “four years” (NIV, RSV, ESV, NET, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem).  The ISV ADDS words to the Hebrew text to make it say what they think it means, saying: "And so it was that forty years after Israel had demanded a king, Absalom asked the king..."

 

or whether both 2 Samuel 23:18 and 1 Chronicles 11:20 read “chief of the THREE” (KJB, Hebrew texts, RV, ASV, NKJV, NRSV, Holman, NIV, NET, Holman, NET, Douay-Rheims) or THIRTY from the Syriac (NASB, RSV, ESV, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic  New Jerusalem) The ISV completely omits any number and just makes up their own text saying: "in charge of the platoons"

 

or 2 Samuel 24:13 reading SEVEN years (KJB, Hebrew, ASV, NASB, NKJV, NET, ISV, Douay-Rheims) or THREE years (LXX, NIV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, Holman, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem)

 

or whether 1 Kings 4:26 reads 40,000 stalls of horses (Hebrew, KJB,  RV, ASV, NASB, ESV, NKJV, ISV, Douay-Rheims) or 4,000 stalls (NIV, NET, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem)

 

 or whether 1 Kings 5:11 reads 20 measures of pure oil (Hebrew texts, Geneva, KJB, ASV, RV, NASB, NRSV, ISV, Douay-Rheims) or 20,000 (RSV, NIV, ESV, NET, LXX and Syriac, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem)

 

or in 2 Chronicles 31:16 we read "males from THREE years old" (Hebrew texts, KJB, Geneva Bible, Wycliffe, LXX, Syriac, RV, ASV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, NIV, NKJV, Holman, NET, Douay-Rheims) or "males from THIRTY years old" (NASB - ft. Hebrew “three”,  ISV  -"every male 30 years old and older", St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem)

 

or where 2 Chronicles 36:9 reads that Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign (Hebrew texts, KJB, NASB, NKJV, RV, ASV, KJB, RSV, NRSV, ESV 2001 edition, ISV, Douay-Rheims) or he was 18 years old (NIV, Holman, NET, ESV 2007 edition!!! and once again the Catholic St. Joseph NAB and the  New Jerusalem)

 

or that when God raised the Lord Jesus from the dead it is stated in Acts 13:33 “this day have I begotten thee” (KJB, NASB, NKJV, RV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, Douay-Rheims, St. Joseph NAB) or “today I have become your Father” (NIV, Holman, NET, ISV, Catholic New Jerusalem).

 


If you go back and read through this list of just some of the numerous very real differences that exist among these Bible of the Month Club versions, ask yourself Which (if any) are the 100% historically true words of GodIF "the Bible" is not 100% historically true in the events it narrates, then when does God start to tell us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? 

 

If you wish to see more about this recent "Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy" please see

http://brandplucked.webs.com/chicagostate.htm 

 

One of the typical objections the bible agnostics, Bible critics and those who do not believe in the inerrancy of any Bible often bring up is Why did the King James Bible originally contain the Apocrypha books? Here is a good answer that provides a lot of information about all bibles of that time, why it was originally in the King James Bible and how the KJB translators viewed the Apocrypha

 

 http://brandplucked.webs.com/apocryphakjb.htm

 

Another word of explanation. I am not against the Catholic people. I have known a few Catholics personally whom I believe to be true Christians who love the Lord Jesus Christ and are trusting in Him for their salvation, even though they still follow many erroneous teachings of Rome. Likewise there are many "Protestants" who are not true Christians either but just follow the outward, religious forms.  

 

But the Catholic Church and its doctrines of the perpetually repeated "sacrifice" of the Mass, the veneration of Mary and the saints, the doctrine of Purgatory, the good works treadmill to earn grace and salvation, the confession of sins to a "priest" and the infallibility of the Pope are all abominable false doctrines from the whore of Babylon.

 

I believe (as did all the Reformers) it is primarily the Roman Catholic Church that is depicted as the "Mystery Babylon, the Mother of harlots and Abominations of the earth" in Revelation chapters 17 and 18, and God says in Revelation 18:4 "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."  Some of God's people are in this false religious system and God commands them to come out of it.

 

The King James Bible is right, and the Bible critics are wrong, as always. 

 

“He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”  Matthew 11:15

 

Will Kinney

 

Return to Articles - http://brandplucked.webs.com/articles.htm 

 

For more Proof that versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET etc. are in fact Catholic bible versions, see this study on Matthew 6:13 and Luke 11:2-4 in what is commonly called the Lord's Prayer. Pay special attention to the section dealing with Luke 11:2-4. You cannot honestly deny that these modern versions are identical to the modern joint effort Evangelical/Catholic Connection bible versions.

 

http://brandplucked.webs.com/matthew613.htm 

 

 

For a much more in depth look at just how identical to the modern Catholic bible versions the ESV, NIV, NASBs really are, be sure to take a look at Part Two seen here.  It is an incredible eye opener and removes all lingering doubt. -

 http://brandplucked.webs.com/esvcatholicpart2.htm

 

Another Bible - Another Gospel  by Robert M. Baker documents the heretical and pro-Roman Catholic beliefs of Westcott and Hort and how the Jesuit counter Reformation has been affecting the modern day Bible translations. A very interesting and informative read.  See it here -

 http://www.angelfire.com/la2/prophet1/anotherb.html

 

Notes from the Internet - 

 


Nigel  writes:    8:41pm Jun 22
Will, I agree 100% with what you are saying. My only question though is; if I were to read say, the NIV & NASB from cover to cover, where would I be led into the embrace of the RCC? I'm appalled at the RC infiltration into the text of the modern versions, however it would appear that they've done a lousy job in leading folks into the RCC by the use of these versions. I own a couple of Catholic Bibles for research purposes, & even in those the gospel is very clear, & I still wouldn't be led the RCC way (except for the notes that are included in one of their study Bibles). 

 

9:27pm Jun 22
Hi Nigel. Good question. What is happening today is that the Vatican is DIRECTLY involved in the textual choices being made to put together the modern "evangelical" bible versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET, ISV, Holman, etc. The Catholic church does NOT believe in the infallibility nor the ultimate authority of the Bible, and now most "evangelicals" do not either. Doctrine used to be important and the Catholic church doctrine was seen as false and abhorrent.= The sacrifice of the Mass, purgatory, confession to a priest, the worship of Mary and the saints, praying to saints, the authority of the Pope, contemplative prayer, mysticism etc.(though some individual Catholics can be true believers in Christ)

Now, the mindset among post modern evangelicals is that the Catholic church is just as Christian as the evangelicals. See Billy Graham, Chuck Colson, Packer and many others. The mindset is that "Hey, both the Catholics and evangelicals use the same bible - the text for the N.T. is virtually identical and even the places where they all "correct the Hebrew" in the Old Testament. The Apocryhpha is OK; it's even in the ESV editions you can buy. Dan Wallace's NET version has it too. The Catholic church is the whore of Babylon and today's evangelical are being sucked right into her and she is welcoming us with open arms and most evangelicals are joining with her in worship, prayers and social outreach. Doctrines are no longer very important, but they have been replaced with "love and unity". That is just part of what is wrong with today's Vatican Versions.

A Lamp in the Dark - Documentary

 

For those who are interested, there is a full length Documentary by Adullum Films called A Lamp in the Dark - The Untold History of the Bible. This is a very well done film of almost 3 hours in length that documents the history of the Bible and how the Jesuit counter Reformation has been at work to bring the professing church back to Rome.  Lots of facts and you will learn a lot about what is going on today regarding the Bible version issue and where it is headed.  You can see it here - 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Osuctvq4QU   

 

Three good articles about Erasmus, king James and the King James Bible translators by David H. Sorenson.


What about Erasmus - http://av1611.com/kjbp/articles/sorenson-ch10-1.html


What about king James? - http://av1611.com/kjbp/articles/sorenson-ch10-2.html


What about the King James Bible translators - http://av1611.com/kjbp/articles/sorenson-ch10-3.html  

 

David Cloud Responds to the recent Catholic claim that the Catholic Church contributed to the making of the King James Bible 

 

 
This is from David Cloud, April 11, 2011

 

https://www.jesus-is-lord.com/did_the_roman_catholic_church_give_us_the_Bible.htm

 

 


USA TODAY SAYS CATHOLIC CHURCH HAD SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN THE KJV


What the reporter forgot to mention was Rome’s most significant role in that project, which was burning that “Catholic priest” in a public spectacle in Vilvoorde, Belgium. The “priest” in question was William Tyndale, who published the first printed English Bible and the first English Bible translated directly from Greek and Hebrew. Though he was an ordained Catholic priest, he renounced the Roman Catholic Church and its heresies and called the pope the Antichrist. In The Practice of Prelates, Tyndale likened the pope to an ivy which climbs up a tree and gradually saps the strength of the host and kills it, emphasizing that this is what the pope had done to England and every other nation under the papal thumb. Tyndale called Roman Catholicism “a nest for unclean birds.” Tyndale also brazenly disobeyed Rome’s law that forbade the translation of the Bible into the common languages of the people without ecclesiastical permission. When the Tyndale New Testament was smuggled into England (because the Roman Catholic authorities there forbade its distribution) large quantities were confiscated and burned, beginning in 1526. By 1528, the prisons were filled with those who had committed the “crime” of reading the New Testament in English, and in 1529 Thomas Hitton became the first in a long line of believers who were burned at the stake for possessing the Tyndale Bible. (Others had previously been burned for possessing the Wycliffe Bible.) In May 1535, Tyndale was arrested for his “heresies” and for his audacity at thumbing his nose at papal laws. After being imprisoned for nearly a year and a half in a cold, dreary dungeon in the castle at Vilvoorde, William Tyndale was taken out to the public square, strangled, and his body burned. Roman Catholic authorities also burned John Rogers, the translator of the Matthew’s Bible, another Bible in the lineage of the 1611 King James. Further, the Geneva Bible, which was the most popular English Bible before the KJV, was produced in Geneva, Switzerland, instead of England for the simple reason that the Roman Catholic Queen Mary was pouring out such vicious persecution upon Bible believers that many fled to Geneva for safety. And going back before Tyndale to the first English Bible, let’s not forget that the Roman Catholic Church condemned John Wycliffe of “heresy” for translating the English Bible and so hated his memory that they dug up his bones and burned them nearly 44 years after his death. Yes, the Roman Catholic Church did have a major role in the English Bibles preceding the King James, and let’s not forget it!

 

 The Pope Unifies all the world's Religions in a One World Religion - 

See the actual footage of Pope John Paul II and representatives of all religions, including witch doctors and shamans, in this 4 minute video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tF1Epj9nL8&feature=share

 

Brother Daniels 6 minute video It is NOT a conspiracy theory.

Change the Bible by changing the words 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ4QBC0W2wo

After you watch it, you might like a couple of concrete examples.  Here they are. You might be very surprised at what you see here.

 

 

Examples of some of these "word changes" for the new religion.

 

Acts 17:22 "too superstitious" changed to "very religious"

 

http://brandplucked.webs.com/acts1722bowelpissbas.htm

 

Titus 3:10 "heretic" changed to "a divisive person"

 

http://brandplucked.webs.com/hereticordivisive.htm

 

"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear."  Luke 8:8  

 

 

 Documentary (53 minutes) - Who is the Antichrist?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SCcwb1iUZI0

 

And the supreme irony is that so many Christians today have abandoned the Reformation Bible text of the King James Bible and are now using and promoting the new Vatican Versions.

 

http://brandplucked.webs.com/realcatholicbibles.htm

 

Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, NET etc. are  the new "Vatican Versions"


 

 

Most Evangelical Christians today do not believe that any Bible in any language IS the inerrant words of God.  In spite of the lame, signifying nothing, recent Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy, they did get one thing right. It’s found in Article XII - “We deny that Biblical infallibility and inerrancy are limited to spiritual, religious, or redemptive themes, exclusive of assertions in the fields of history and science.” Every true Bible believer should agree with this statement.  IF the Bible is not 100% historically true, then at what point does God start to tell us the truth?  If we cannot trust God's Book when it comes to specific numbers and names when it comes to past history, then how can we be sure He got the other parts right?

 

 It is devastating for the modern version promoter to see where the New Jerusalem Catholic bible lands on these verses. Also notice how the previous Catholic Douay-Rheims read. It was a whole lot closer to the historical truth than are these more modern translations.   

 

The following short list is just a sampling of the divergent and confusing readings found among the contradictory modern bible versions. There are numerous other examples, but these are just a few to make you aware of what is going on here with "the late$t in $cholar$hip Finding$".  


Among these “historic details” are whether Jeremiah 27:1 reads Jehoiakim (Hebrew texts, RV, ASV, NKJV, KJB, Douay-Rheims) or Zedekiah (RSV, NIV, NASB, ESV, NET, Holman, Catholic New Jerusalem 1985)

 

whether 2 Samuel 21:8 reads Michal (Hebrew texts, KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV, Douay-Rheims) or Merab (RSV, NIV, NASB, ESV, NET, Holman, Catholic New Jerusalem)

 

or 70 (NASB, NKJV, RV, ASV, RSV, NRSV, Holman, KJB) being sent out by the Lord Jesus in Luke 10:1 and 17 or 72 (NIV, ESV, NET, Catholic New Jerusalem) 

 

or in Matthew 18:22 does the Lord say to forgive your brother not “until 7 times, but unto 70 times 7 times” (= 490 times - KJB, RV, ASV, NASB, NKJV, RSV, ESV, Douay-Rheims, ALL Greek texts) or 77 times (NRSV, NIV, Catholic New Jerusalem)

 

or the 7th day in Judges 14:15 (KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV, Douay-Rheims) or the 4th day (RSV, ESV, NASB, NIV, NET, Catholic New Jerusalem)

 

Or Hannah taking young Samuel to the house of the LORD with THREE bullocks  in 1 Samuel 1:24 (KJB, Hebrew texts, RV, ASV, JPS 1917, NKJV, Youngs, NET, Douay-Rheims) or “A THREE YEAR OLD BULL: (LXX, Syriac RSV, ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman, Catholic New Jerusalem)  

 

or God smiting 50,070 men in 1 Samuel 6:19 (KJB, RV, ASV, NASB, NET, Douay-Rheims) or 70 men slain (RSV, NIV, NRSV, ESV, Catholic New Jerusalem),  or “70 men- 50 chief men” (Young’s), or “70 MEN OUT OF 50,000 Holman Standard

 

or there being 30,000 chariots in 1 Samuel 13:5 (KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV, NASB, RSV, NRSV, ESV, Douay-Rheims) or only 3000 (NIV, NET,  Holman, Catholic New Jerusalem)

 

or 1 Samuel 13:1  Here we read: “Saul reigned ONE year; and when he had reigned TWO years over Israel, Saul chose him three thousand men of Israel.”  reading - ONE/TWO years (NKJV, KJB, Geneva, Judaica Press Tanach), or 40/32 (NASB 1972-77) or 30/42 (NASB 1995, NIV),  OR 30 years/ 40 years (NET) or _____years and.______and two years (RSV, NRSV, ESV, Catholic New Jerusalem), or even “32 years old...reigned for 22 years” in the 1989 Revised English Bible!

 

2 Samuel 15:7 “forty years” (KJB, Hebrew, Geneva, NKJV, NASB, RV, Douay-Rheims) OR “four years” (NIV, RSV, ESV, NET, Catholic New Jerusalem)

 

or whether both 2 Samuel 23:18 and 1 Chronicles 11:20 read “chief of the THREE” (KJB, Hebrew texts, RV, ASV, NKJV, NRSV, Holman, NIV, NET, Holman, NET, Douay-Rheims) or THIRTY from the Syriac (NASB, RSV, ESV, Catholic  New Jerusalem)

 

or 2 Samuel 24:13 reading SEVEN years (KJB, Hebrew, ASV, NASB, NKJV, NET, Douay-Rheims) or THREE years (LXX, NIV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, Holman, Catholic New Jerusalem)

 

or whether 1 Kings 4:26 reads 40,000 stalls of horses (Hebrew, KJB,  RV, ASV, NASB, ESV, NKJV, Douay-Rheims) or 4,000 stalls (NIV, NET, Catholic New Jerusalem)

 

 or whether 1 Kings 5:11 reads 20 measures of pure oil (Hebrew texts, Geneva, KJB, ASV, RV, NASB, NRSV, Douay-Rheims) or 20,000 (RSV, NIV, ESV, NET, LXX and Syriac, Catholic New Jerusalem)

 

or in 2 Chronicles 31:16 we read "males from THREE years old" (Hebrew texts, KJB, Geneva Bible, Wycliffe, LXX, Syriac, RV, ASV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, NIV, NKJV, Holman, NET, Douay-Rheims) or "males from THIRTY years old" (NASB - ft. Hebrew “three”, Catholic New Jerusalem)

 

or where 2 Chronicles 36:9 reads that Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign (Hebrew texts, KJB, NASB, NKJV, RV, ASV, KJB, RSV, NRSV, ESV 2001 edition, Douay-Rheims) or he was 18 years old (NIV, Holman, NET, ESV 2007 edition!!! and once again the Catholic New Jerusalem)

 

or that when God raised the Lord Jesus from the dead it is stated in Acts 13:33 “this day have I begotten thee” (KJB, NASB, NKJV, RV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, Douay-Rheims) or “today I have become your Father” (NIV, Holman, NET, Catholic New Jerusalem).

 

If you go back and read through this list of just some of the numerous very real differences that exist among these Bible of the Month Club versions, ask yourself which (if any) are the 100% historically true words of God.  IF "the Bible" is not 100% historically true in the events it narrates, then when does God start to tell us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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  • Will Kinney The irony is that most Christians today are using the new Vatican Versions and either don't know it, or they don't care. Want proof of these claims? See the documentation from right out of the Nestle-Aland/UBS/Vatican' s own critical Greek text book, the UBS website and the Vatican's own homepage.

    Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, NET etc. are the new "Vatican Versions"

    http://brandplucked.webs.com/realcatholicbibles.htm

    “Mystery, Babylon the Great, The Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth..is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit...and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication...Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins” Revelation 17:2-5; 18:2-4

    Then go on to Part Two and do the verse and word omissions comparisons. The Jesuit counter Reformation is very much alive and thriving. "Come out of her, my people".

    "He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Luke 8:8

    God bless.
    brandplucked.webs.com
    and FOLLOWING AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE VATICAN AND THE UNITED BIBLE SOCIETIES IT HAS SERVED AS THE BASIS FOR NEW TRANSLATIONS AND FOR REVISIONS MADE UNDER THEIR SUPERVISION. THIS MARKS A SIGNIFICANT STIP WITH REGARD TO INTERCONFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIPS.

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  • Will Kinney The irony is that most Christians today are using the new Vatican Versions and either don't know it, or they don't care. Want proof of these claims? See the documentation from right out of the Nestle-Aland/UBS/Vatican' s own critical Greek text book, the UBS website and the Vatican's own homepage.

    Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, NET etc. are the new "Vatican Versions"

    http://brandplucked.webs.com/realcatholicbibles.htm

    “Mystery, Babylon the Great, The Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth..is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit...and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication...Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins” Revelation 17:2-5; 18:2-4

    Then go on to Part Two and do the verse and word omissions comparisons. The Jesuit counter Reformation is very much alive and thriving. "Come out of her, my people".

    "He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Luke 8:8

    God bless.
    brandplucked.webs.com
    and FOLLOWING AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE VATICAN AND THE UNITED BIBLE SOCIETIES IT HAS SERVED AS THE BASIS FOR NEW TRANSLATIONS AND FOR REVISIONS MADE UNDER THEIR SUPERVISION. THIS MARKS A SIGNIFICANT STIP WITH REGARD TO INTERCONFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIPS.

The election of Pope Francis, ‘a long-time friend of the Bible Societies’, is an encouragement to United Bible Societies (UBS) to work even harder to make the Bible available to everyone.


“He is a man of the UNIVERSAL CHURCH with an ECUMENICAL spirit and he is a pastor, who knows the reality of ‘simple’ people. The new Pope is a truly biblical person whose faith and actions are deeply rooted in the Bible and inspired by the Word of God.”


“As a long-time FRIEND of the BIBLE SOCIETIES Pope Francis knows that our raison d’être is the call to collaborate in the incarnation of our Christian faith,” says Mr Perreau. “WE ASSURE POPE Francis of our RENEWED AVAILABILITY to SERVE the CATHOLIC CHURCH in her endeavours to make the Word of God the centre of NEW evangelisation.”


Brother Daniels 6 minute video It is NOT a conspiracy theory. 

Change the Bible by changing the words 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ4QBC0W2wo

After you watch it, you might like a couple of concrete examples.  Here they are. You might be very surprised at what you see here.



Examples of some of these "word changes" for the new religion.


Acts 17:22 "too superstitious" changed to "very religious"


http://brandplucked.webs.com/acts1722bowelpissbas.htm


Titus 3:10 "heretic" changed to "a divisive person"


http://brandplucked.webs.com/hereticordivisive.htm

 

"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear."  Luke 8:8 

Want more proof that the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET etc. are the new Vatican Versions?

 

Check out which Greek New Testament Catholic Bibles blog is promoting.  They also recommend the NIV and NET and you can get an ESV complete with the Apocryphal books at this site. But can you guess which Bible you WON'T find on their list of Recommended Bibles?

 

Catholic Bibles Blog promotes the Nestle-Aland 28th Critical Text  Edition


http://www.catholicbiblesblog.com/2013/09/novum-testamentum-graece-nestle-aland.html


Catholic Bibles Blog promotes the Nestle-Aland 28th Critical Text  Edition

http://www.catholicbiblesblog.com/2013/09/novum-testamentum-graece-nestle-aland.html

Check out which Greek New Testament Catholic Bibles blog is promoting.  They also recommend the NIV and NET and you can get an ESV complete with the Apocryphal books at this site. But can you guess which Bible you WON'T find on their list of Recommended Bibles?

Catholic Bibles Blog promotes the Nestle-Aland 28th Critical Text  Edition

http://www.catholicbiblesblog.com/2013/09/novum-testamentum-graece-nestle-aland.html


UBS on its own website admits whom they SERVE, and it is ROME

http://www.unitedbiblesocieties.org/news/3575-united-bible-societies-welcomes-pope-francis/

United Bible Societies welcomes Pope Francis

MARCH 15, 2013 BY COMMUNICATIONS

The election of Pope Francis, ‘a long-time friend of the Bible Societies’, is an encouragement to United Bible Societies (UBS) to work even harder to make the Bible available to everyone.

“He is a man of the UNIVERSAL CHURCH with an ECUMENICAL spirit and he is a pastor, who knows the reality of ‘simple’ people. The new Pope is a truly biblical person whose faith and actions are deeply rooted in the Bible and inspired by the Word of God.”

“As a long-time FRIEND of the BIBLE SOCIETIES Pope Francis knows that our raison d’être is the call to collaborate in the incarnation of our Christian faith,” says Mr Perreau. “WE ASSURE POPE Francis of our RENEWED AVAILABILITY to SERVE the CATHOLIC CHURCH in her endeavours to make the Word of God the centre of NEW evangelisation.”

From the Vatican’s own website


http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/general-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_19871116_guidelines-bible_en.html


GUIDELINES
FOR
INTERCONFESSIONAL
COOPERATION
IN TRANSLATING THE BIBLE
THE NEW REVISED EDITION ROME

1987

 

PRESENTATION

 

The Secretariat for Promoting Christian Unity and the United Bible Societies are pleased to present to all concerned a revised version of the 1968 “Guiding Principles for Interconfessional Cooperation in Translating the Bible”.


The document, now entitled “Guidelines for Interconfessional Cooperation in Translating the Bible”, affirming the spirit and following the principles set forth in the historic agreement first published in 1968, reflects the experience gained in producing scores of Bible translations since then. These interconfessional Bible trans­lation projects have largely been made possible by those “Guiding Principles”; as a result of reports received from the users minor modifications have now been introduced into this new edition.


The basic understanding, however, remains unchanged: as in the past, interconfessional translations will continue to be based on a Hebrew text of the Old Testament and a Greek text of the New Testament which have been agreed on by scholars from various church traditions. Drafting and reviewing of the translations will be carried out in close cooperation, with the aim that the new text will be acceptable to, and be used by all Christians and Christian communities who speak the language into which the translation is being made.


The clear goal of this interconfessional effort is to produce editions of the Holy Scriptures which provide all speakers of the language with a common text. This will in turn make possible, often for the first time, a common witness to the Word of God in the world of today. To all who are interested in obtaining faithful and understandable translations of the Bible, this updated version of the “Guidelines” will, we pray, be an effective instrument for reaching this goal.


May God bless those who work to make His Word more widely known and lived, and through them bless all who will receive and read these new interconfessional translations. 

Vatican City, November 16th, 1987.


“Mystery, Babylon the Great, The Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth..is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird...and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication...Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Revelation 17:2-5; 18:2-4


 
But wait. There's even more. The ESV 2001 edition had "Saul was________years old when he began to reign, and he reigned____and two years over Israel." But now the 2011 edition of the ESV has come out (I have a hard copy right here in front of me) and it now has the perhaps even more ridiculous reading of "Saul LIVED FOR ONE YEAR AND THEN BECAME KING, and when he had reigned FOR TWO YEARS over Israel, Saul chose 3000 men of Israel...". Think about it. "Saul lived for one year and then became king". They just get loopier and loopier, don't they?