We who believe God has preserved His inspired words only in the Authorized King James Holy Bible are accused of being unscriptural. I usually run into two kinds of people I refer to as Bible Agnostics who hold two very different opinions (sometimes even three or four different opinions or beliefs about the Bible). Some maintain that "only the originals" were the inspired and true words of God - which leaves us with NO infallible Bible now.
Others actually try to tell us that "ALL the 'reliable' versions are the infallible words of God", even though they differ from each other in thousands of ways both textually and in meaning. The one and usually only thing they are united on is their belief that the King James Bible is not the complete and 100% true words of God.
They finally get around to asking this question- "Where is the Scripture that says the King James Version is the only inspired and infallible Bible?" They seem to think that by asking this question they have finally exposed the fundamental weakness and unbiblical nature of our belief in a preserved, inspired and infallible Bible.
Here is an actual conversation I recently had with such a man on a Facebook club called the King James Bible Debate. His name is Al and he goes back and forth between telling us that "only the originals were inspired" and telling us that "All versions are infallible." He is a very confused individual.
Al posts: "One thing to consider if you might be involved with a cult - do they tenaciously teach something, as a very important doctrine, that is not taught in Scripture? For example:
Jesus is God (taught in Scripture) - okay!
Jesus died (taught in Scripture) - okay!
Jesus rose again (taught in Scripture) - okay!
Jesus is only a man (NOT taught in Scripture) - warning signs!
Mary is to be worshipped (NOT taught in Scripture) - warning signs!
The KJV is the only valid version (NOT taught in a single verse of Scripture since the KJV didn't even exist then) - warning signs!"
I then responded: "Al, before you hypocritically and unreasonably attack the KJB position, you should apply the same rules to your own view and that of other bible agnostics like yourself. Where in any Bible in any language does it teach or even hint at what YOU guys believe?
Can you site chapter and verse for any of these?
1. "Only the originals were inspired by God"
2. "The real words of God are found mixed up with thousands of variant readings in the surviving Greek manuscripts"
3. "No Bible is the perfect words of God; they all have errors in them."
4. "All bible versions, no matter how contradictory and different they might be textually, are the infallible words of God."
Where do you find anything even remotely close to any of these things that you bible agnostic types continue to throw at us on a daily basis?
What we DO know from Scripture is that God has promised to preserve His words. He says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but His words shall not pass away - Matthew 24:35
He also says The Scripture cannot be broken - John 10:35
The Bible also tells us that God is a God of truth and He cannot lie - Titus 1:2; Hebrews 6:18; Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29
If I find lies in a "bible" version, then I know this is not the true words of God. This would be things like teaching that the children of Israel DECEIVED God as the NASB, NET, ISV versions have it in Psalm 78:36
Or that Jesus Christ had "origins" as the NIV, RSV, ESV 2001 edition have it in Micah 5:2
Or that teach that Jesus lied in John 7:8-10 as the NASB, ESV and NIV 2011 teach
God tells us to search out and read "the book of the LORD" (Isaiah 34:16), so such a book must exist somewhere. It is NOT in the varied Hebrew texts; that is only part of a bible. It certainly is not in the thousands of variant readings in piles of manuscript scraps in Greek that few can read and that do not make up a Bible either.
Either God has acted in history to bring us "the book of the LORD" or He lied and is not to be trusted.
We King James Bible believers maintain that God did not lie but has kept His promises to preserve His words and He has done this in the end times masterpiece He provided and that has been mightily used as no other to bring the gospel to the nations, and is the ONLY Bible seriously believed by thousands throughout history and today to be the complete, inspired and 100% true words of God - the Authorized King James Holy Bible.
What have the Bible agnostics and unbelievers in a real, in print, inerrant Bible have to offer us in its place? The Vatican Versions that continue to change with each new edition and that NOBODY believes are the infallible words of God and that people actually read and study less and less. THAT is all they can give us.
No thank you. I and many others will stick to our God honored and time tested King James Holy Bible." (end of post) Note: When I refer to versions like the constantly changing ESVs, NIVs, NASBs as the Vatican Versions, this is because their own UBS/ Nestle-Aland ever changing Critical Greek text is under the direct supervision of the Vatican. They come right out and tell you this in the Nestle-Aland Critical text 27th edition on page 45. They are not even trying to hide it.
Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, NET, Jehovah Witness NWT etc. are the new "Vatican Versions" Part One - the Documentation
What does the Book say? God told the prophet Isaiah in chapter 59:21 "This is my covenant with them; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever."
The Lord Jesus Christ said in Matthew 24:35: "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
Isaiah 40:8: "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever."
Psalm 12:6-7: "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."
Psalm 19:7: "The law of the LORD is PERFECT, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is SURE, making wise the simple." The "law and testimony of the LORD" = His words.
Psalm 100:5: "For the LORD is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations."
Psalm 119:152, 160: "Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that Thou hast founded them for ever. ... thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever."
John 10:35: "... the Scripture cannot be broken."
God has promised to preserve His wordS IN A BOOK here on this earth till heaven and earth pass away. He either did this and we can know where they are found today, or He lied and He lost some of them, and we can never be sure if what we are reading are the true words of God or not.
God's words are in a BOOK. Consider the following verses: "Now go, write it before them in a table, and NOTE IT IN A BOOK, that it may be for the time to come FOR EVER AND EVER." Isaiah 30:8
"Seek ye out of THE BOOK of the LORD, and READ: no one of these shall fail...for my mouth it hath commanded..." Isaiah 34:16
"And if any man shall take away from THE WORDS OF THE BOOK of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK." Revelation 22:19
God has promised to preserve His words, here on earth, in a form that will be known and spoken among His seed, till the end of this world. How has He done this? Modern scholars tell us: "No translation is inspired; only the originals were inspired."
The originals no longer exist; nobody knows for sure what they said; and they never did make up an entire Bible - not even close.
Is it biblical to say no translation is inspired? Again, what does the Book say? Moses spoke to Pharaoh in Egyptian, yet is was translated into Hebrew. Paul and Jesus both spoke in the Hebrew tongue, yet their words were translated into a different language of inspired words. Jesus spoke in Hebrew and possibly Aramaic too, yet His words were translated into Greek as were the O.T. quotes. To say "no translation is inspired" is not biblical. Please see my article "Can a Translation be Inspired" for further development of this topic, here -
God can and does refer to the Book of the Lord as being a real object even though it is still in the process of being written and perfected. Yet He sees the end from the beginning and refers to a future event (from our point of view) as a present reality.
Daniel 10:21 - 11:2 - "the Scripture of Truth"
Another clear example of God's Book being progressively revealed to us is found in one of the heavenly visions revealed to the prophet Daniel. In chapter 10 a heavenly messenger is sent to Daniel who tells him: "But I will shew thee THAT WHICH IS NOTED IN THE SCRIPTURE OF TRUTH". The angel then says - "And now will I shew thee THE TRUTH. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings of Persia: and the fourth shall be far richer than they all..."
Here the angel refers to a Book of Scripture that is ALREADY WRITTEN IN HEAVEN, and that is progressively revealed to man. This "Scripture of truth" has already recorded coming events BEFORE they happen in time. Nothing takes God by surprise; He sees the end from the beginning, and there is a completed Book in heaven that God progressively reveals to His people in time and history.
Another verse that confirms this truth concerning the preservation of God's words is Psalm 119:89 "For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven."
Scholars tell us God has preserved His words somewhere in a few thousand conflicting manuscripts which only they can read. Yet they cannot agree among themselves as to which texts to put into their "bibles", nor how to translate the meaning once they agree on the text.
Get 10 scholars into a room and you will come up with 12 different opinions. They try to piece together the original words from the remaining, conflicting manuscripts. Yet God can work through this "scholarly process" Himself much better than they, and place His true words in one volume, because He knows which words are His and which ones are not.
I often hear objections raised by "scholars" who themselves do not believe that any Bible in any language, including "the" Hebrew and "the" Greek, is now the complete and inerrant words of God.
They ask such things as: "Well, how do you know the King James translators got it right?" or "What was their textual source for deciding which readings were inspired and which ones were scribal additions or omissions?"
Implied in their very questions is the idea that there is no such thing as an inerrant Bible now, nor ever was one.
Don't the "scholars" who put together the constant barrage of "new and improved, based on the latest findings" type of bible versions that keep coming down the pike go through a similar process, at least in their own minds and on their best of days?
Don't the modern scholars get together and pray asking God to guide their efforts, hoping that perhaps theirs will be the best bible version to ever appear in print and be "the closest to the originals" of any of them? (This scenario is, of course, giving them the best of all possible motives for their work).
Is it impossible for God to work through a group of dedicated men, though fallen, sinful and imperfect, to bring about the truth of His preserved and perfect words and place them in a real Book between two covers printed on paper with ink, that the children of God can actually hold in their hands and believe every word?
Why do the Bible critics mock at the idea that God may have actually already guided through this "scholarly process" and done what they themselves think they are trying to do today? I don't get it.
Try this with the bible agnostics. Since they do not believe that ANY Bible in ANY language is now or ever was the complete, inspired and infallible words of God, then ask them if they think the scholars will ever be able to work through all the manuscript evidence and eventually be able to give us a complete and perfect Bible. If they say No, then they are perpetual Bible agnostics and never will believe in the Infallibility of Scripture.
If they say Yes, at some time in the future we will be able to put together a perfect Bible, then ALL the objections they presently raise against the King James Bible only position will turn right around and come back to pester them. Such things as "Where was the perfect word of God before 20___?" or "How do you know they got it right?" or "What is your Scriptural basis for this hypothetical future perfect Bible being the infallible words of God? yada, yada, yada.
The indebtedness of the King James Bible translators to their predecessors is recognized most clearly in the Preface to the reader where they state in no uncertain terms: "Truly, good Christian reader, we never thought, from the beginning, that we should need to make a new translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one; but TO MAKE A GOOD ONE BETTER, or OUT OF MANY GOOD ONES ONE PRINCIPAL GOOD ONE, NOT JUSTLY TO BE EXCEPTED AGAINST that hath been our endeavour, that our mark."
The King James Translators also wrote: "Nothing is begun and perfected at the same time, and the later thoughts are the thoughts to be the wiser: so if we build upon their foundation that went before us, and being holpen by their labors, do endeavor to make better which they left so good...if they were alive would thank us...the same will shine as gold more brightly, being rubbed and polished."
God is under no obligation to give equal light or gifts to all people. Psalm 147:19,20: "He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. He hath not dealt so with any nation; and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD."
He has not promised to give every individual a perfect Bible. Even modern scholars will admit there are inferior translations. Yet using the Jehovah Witness version, or just a gospel tract, someone can come to know the Lord. We are only responsible for the light we have received.
I believe in the sovereignty of God in history. "For the kingdom is the LORD'S; and He is the governor among the nations." Psalm 22:28. God has set His mark upon many things in this world that reveal His Divine hand at work in history. Why do we use the 7 day week instead of the 10 day week?
Why are dates either B.C. (Before Christ) or A.D. (Anno Domini - year of our Lord)? (although the secular world is now trying in vain to change this too to BCE and CE.) England, the country that gave us the King James Holy Bible, just "happens to be" the one nation from which we measure the true Time (Greenwich time, zero hour) and from which we measure true Position on this earth, zero longitude. Just a "coincidence", huh?
In 1611 the English language was spoken by a mere 3% of the world's population, but today English has become the closest thing to a universal language in history. He used the King James Bible to carry His words to the far ends of the earth, where it was translated into hundreds of languages by English and American missionaries for over 300 years. The sun never set on the British empire. It was even taken to space by American astronauts and read from there.
God knew He would use England, its language and the King James Bible to accomplish all these things long before they happened. Oh, and by the way, the King James Bible is the all time Number One Best Selling Book EVER, and that BY FAR! No other book in print has even come close.
It is the only Bible God has providentially used in this way. It is the only Bible believed by thousands upon thousands of believers to be the inspired, infallible and 100% true words of God.
There are many solid reasons for our faith that the King James Bible IS the complete and inerrant words of God, and The Standard by which all others are to be measured. For many of these reasons, See
God's Historic Witness to the Absolute Truth of The King James Holy Bible
We are falsely accused of trusting in a 17th century Anglican translation. No, we do not defend the KJB translators, their doctrines (though I agree with many of them), the prefatory remarks or their marginal notes. We trust in the living God Who used imperfect, sinful men both to write the originals and to preserve His words.
We defend only THE TEXT AND THE MEANING of the King James Holy Bible.
Modern scholars admit their bibles are not inspired and contain errors. Ask your pastor where you can get a copy of the inspired writings of the prophets and apostles. If he doesn't believe in the inerrancy of the King James Bible, you are in for a very entertaining Dance Routine complete with balloons and dancing bears when he tries to give you a straight answer.
Check out my article called "There is No Inerrant Bible", and you will see factual statements from many leading Evangelicals showing that most seminarians and future pastors no longer believe in the inerrancy of Scripture.
The NKJV, NIV, ESV, Holman Standard, and the NASB all contain provable false doctrines and disagree among themselves. The ESV, NIV and NASB reject in many places the Hebrew to follow the LXX, Syriac, Targum or something else or just "make up" a text (See 1 Samuel 13:1 for example) and the NIV and Holman tell you this in their footnotes.
(For examples of where versions like the NASB, NIV, ESV etc. reject the Hebrew texts, and not always in the same places, please see the first two links here. And to see some concrete examples of false doctrine found in the modern versions, take a look at the third link provided here.)
The "all scripture is given by inspiration of God" in 2 Timothy 3:15-16 applies to what Timothy and his mother had in their home hundreds of years after the originals had turned to dust.
To say, "only the originals were inspired" is unbiblical. Which view is more scriptural, that of the King James Bible believer, or that of the modern "Bible Of The Month Club" promoter?
The "Thus saith the Lord" of old, has been replaced by "How does this version render it?".
I can hold the pure, perfect, inerrant words of the living God in my hands and read them in the King James Bible. What do you have in your hands?
Is having an inerrant Bible "No Big Deal"?
Adam C. posts: "There was no complete and inerrant Bible before 1611. Which makes me think it's not really such a big deal after all. Any comments on that?"
Hi Adam. Several things have changed since 1611. If a Christian only has one bible, he probably thinks it is the true and inerrant words of God. He may well be wrong in this belief, but it is what he believes. And the gospel is found in any bible in any language in all of history. That is not the point.
But when he has 2 or 5 or 10 different "bibles" with different texts and many whole verses found in some but not in others, and even the same verses have totally different meanings, then he quite naturally begins to ask the question - Which one, if any of them, is right and 100% true?
What is going on today, as the polls show and as we see on a daily basis on Facebook and all around us, is that most Christians do NOT believe that any bible in any language is now or ever was the complete and inerrant words of God.
The Bible tells us that the last days will be characterized by a falling away from the faith, a giving heed to the doctrines of devils, and apostasy.
God's own character and the truth of his promises are at stake when it comes to whether or not there exists such a thing as a 100% true Bible or not. He promised to preserve his words and that heaven and earth would pass away, but not his words.
Why did God wait till after the invention of the printing press and to give us his perfect book in the King James Bible? It was his time to do so. Why did God take 7 days to create the heavens and the earth? Why didn't he just do it all at once?
You'll have to ask him about it. He hasn't yet told us why he did it this way, but we see the evidence that this is what he did.
God sees the end from the beginning, and he knew that English would become the end times universal language and that it would be the English speaking, King James Bible carrying missionaries that would take the gospel to the far ends of the earth.
God also knows that there is only one Bible true Christians have recognized as being the complete and inerrant words of God for over 400 years now and counting.
NOBODY seriously defends or believes that any of these modern versions or even any of the older versions are the inerrant words of God. There are no NIV only groups, or ESV only groups. You can tell people that you personally like the Message, or the Living bible, or the NASB, NKJV, Geneva bible, "the" Hebrew and "the" Greek (never identified) or the Daffy Duck Version and the bible agnostics won't bat an eyelash.
But tell people you believe the King James Bible is the only inerrant Bible and people start to go ballistic and throw things at you.
Sort of like the reaction you often get when you tell people that the Lord Jesus Christ is the ONLY way of salvation and all other religions are false.
As there is hatred in the world toward the Word of God, so too does it exist toward the true word of God.
No other book gets people's blood boiling like the King James Bible. This should tell you something.
Let them rant and rave away and continue to promote the idea that No Bible and no single text in any language, including "the" Hebrew and "the" Greek is now the 100% true and infallible words of God. We King James Bible believers are quite content to maintain our position affirming that God has given us the true Book of the LORD in the English language. We'll leave the results with Him.
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Additional Information you may be interested in.
Good 57 minute video documentary on the “History of The King James Bible: God’s Perfect Word”
Good article by Laurence M. Vance on "The Origin of King James Onlyism"
Majestic Legacy (of the King James Bible) by Dr. Phil Stringer
Fox News, 8 minute video about The Book that changed the world, the King James Bible 400th year celebration
Well done movie-documentary on The King James Bible - the Book that Changed the World.
Three good articles about Erasmus, king James and the King James Bible translators by David H. Sorenson.
What about Erasmus - http://av1611.com/kjbp/articles/sorenson-ch10-1.html
What about king James? - http://av1611.com/kjbp/articles/sorenson-ch10-2.html
What about the King James Bible translators - http://av1611.com/kjbp/articles/sorenson-ch10-3.html