Dealing with those who say the King James Bible is a Catholic Bible
Dealing with those who say the King James Bible is a Catholic Bible
Justin H. says: "The King James Bible uses the Latin Vulgate for Revelation and the man who wrote the Received Text Erasmus is a Roman Catholic Priest) and reads like the Douay Rheims Roman Catholic bible you should be honest with yourself Will Kinney you have a Vatican version. According to your faulty logic that would make the King James Bible corrupt."
Justin, you and I have butted heads in the past, and you are still one of the most ignorant of the Bible agnostics out there in Bible Babble Buffet Land.
I know that you yourself do not believe that any Bible is the inerrant words of God. You will NEVER show us a copy of what you think is.
And your information about the KJB and the Douay-Rheims is incorrect. The Douay Rheims was translated from the Latin Vulgate, true. But the KJB was not. The KJB used the Greek texts that are now generally referred to as the Textus Receptus - a compilation done mainly by Erasmus, Stephanus and Beza.
The primary Greek text adopted by the KJB translators was that of Beza 1598. Secondarily, that of Stephanus 1550 and the least text used was that of Erasmus.
NO Catholic Bible has ever used the TR as its basis. And the Roman Catholic church condemned the works of Erasmus and put his books, including his N.T. Greek text, on the list of Forbidden Books. The Pope himself did this.
In sharp contrast to the KJB and all Reformation Bibles in multiple languages, modern versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET, the Jehovah Witness New World Translation and the modern Catholic versions like the St. Joseph New American bible 1970 and the New Jerusalem bible 1985 are ALL based on the SAME, ever changing UBS (UNITED Bible Society) Nestle-Aland Critical Greek text which is directly under the Supervision of the Vatican.
This is not a wild KJB only Conspiracy Theory. It is a documented fact. Their own Nestle-Aland 27th edition comes right out and states this.
You obviously did not bother to actually READ the article.
Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, NET, Jehovah Witness NWT etc. are the new "Vatican Versions" Part One - the Documentation
You need to find out the facts, sir.
Answering the charge “Erasmus was a Catholic humanist.”
Here are just a few examples that anybody can look up for themselves to see that the Catholic Douay Rheims reads like the modern Vatican Versions in many places like the ESV, NIV, NASB and not like the KJB.
Although the Latin Vulgate, as a whole, was a lot better textually than are today’s Vatican Versions. Most of the 17 entire verses that the ESV, NIV, NASB omit, were found in the Latin Vulgate, but this is because those readings have been in the Majority of all remaining Greek texts since the beginning.
Revelation 1:11 Douay-Rheims - Saying: What thou seest, write in a book and send to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamus and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea. (ESV, NIV, NASB, Jehovah Witness NWT)
KJB - Saying, I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE LAST, AND What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Revelation 2:15 Douay-Rheims - So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaites. (ESV, NIV, NASB, Jehovah Witness)
KJB - So hast thou them also that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, WHICH THING I HATE
Revelation 15:2 Douay-Rheims - And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had overcome the beast and his image and the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having the harps of God: (ESV, NIV, NASB, Jehovah Witness)
KJB - And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, AND OVER HIS MARK, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
Revelation 16:5 Douay-Rheims - And I heard the angel of the waters saying: Thou art just, O Lord, who art and who wast, THE HOLY ONE, because thou hast judged these things. (ESV, NIV, NASB, Jehovah Witness NWT)
KJB - And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, AND SHALT BE, because thou hast judged thus.
Revelation 19:1 Douay-Rheims - After these things, I heard as it were the voice of much people in heaven, saying: Alleluia. Salvation and glory and power is to our God. (ESV, NIV, NASB, Jehovah Witness)
KJB - And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, AND HONOUR, and power, unto THE LORD our God”
Revelation 20:12 Douay-Rheims - And I saw the dead, GREAT AND SMALL, standing in the presence of THE THRONE. And the books were opened: (ESV, NIV, NASB, Jehovah Witness)
KJB - And I saw the dead, SMALL AND GREAT, stand before GOD; and the books were opened:
Revelation 21:3 Douay Rheims - And I heard a great voice from THE THRONE, saying: Behold the tabernacle of God with men: (ESV, NIV, NASB, Jehovah Witness)
KJB - And I heard a great voice OUT OF HEAVEN saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men
Revelation 21:10 Douay-Rheims - And he took me up in spirit to a great and high mountain: and he shewed me the holy city Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, (ESV, NIV, NASB, Jehovah Witness)
KJB - And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me THAT GREAT city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God
Revelation 21:24 Douay-Rheims - And the nations shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth shall bring their glory and honour into it. (ESV, NIV, NASB, Jehovah Witness)
KJB - And the nations OF THEM WHICH ARE SAVED shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Revelation 22:1 Douay-Rheims - And he shewed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. (ESV, NIV, NASB, Jehovah Witness)
KJB - And he shewed me a PURE river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Revelation 22:14 Douay-Rheims - Blessed are they that WASH THEIR ROBES in the blood of the Lamb: that they may have a right to the tree of life and may enter in by the gates into the city. (wash their robes - ESV, NIV, NASB, Jehovah Witness)
KJB - Blessed are they that DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Revelation 22:20 Douay-Rheims - He that giveth testimony of these things, saith: Surely, I come quickly: Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. (ESV, NIV, NASB, Jehovah Witness)
KJB - He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. EVEN SO, come, Lord Jesus.
The King James Bible is always right - Get used to it.
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